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Western countries need to infiltrate their factories and steal their schematics and technologies.

monocasa 5y ago
Lol, you joke, but it's not like we're above that if push comes to shove. The trouble with a black art though is that it's hard to get the gist of what's going on just from what's written down.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  The joke is that’s largely what happened when the west brought their tech to china
Nasrudith 5y ago
The first world uses their living conditions and high pay for that instead mostly - just give the right people worker visas. Most of the actual nationally conducted industrial espionage involved export controlled military industrial complex linked bits. Business intelligence meanwhile is more about reverse engineering and observation while not crossing the red line into illegality. Things like deducing the state of thejr competitors by the number of cars in their lots at what time of day - "more cars at odd hours and weekends may hint at a frenzied rush and that they may be running behind schedule".
- PradeetPatel 5y ago
  Modern business intelligence practices definitely borrow techniques well established fields such as OSINT and HUMINT, often bordering the life of illegality but never crossing it. As someone who works in the reputation management industry, we often monitor major social media platforms for keywords and conduct sentiment analysis on individuals of interest. This is done with the intention of ensuring the correct narratives are understood by the public, and to ascertain potential internal threat actors/whistleblowers before they embark on their mission.
  - nebula8804 5y ago
    Oh man you must have some amazing stories. Any cool ones you could share?
deltaonefour 5y ago
It's not like China is hiding this stuff. They do this to themselves as in their own employees regularly steal schematics and technologies and spread it all over the place.
throwmamatrain 5y ago
One interesting note about this, is that there are machines for automating manufacturing that are explicitly not allowed to be exported. source: friend who did factory liaison for USA companies in Shanghai

Lol, you joke, but it's not like we're above that if push comes to shove. The trouble with a black art though is that it's hard to get the gist of what's going on just from what's written down.

vineyardmike 5y ago
The joke is that’s largely what happened when the west brought their tech to china

Nasrudith 5y ago

The first world uses their living conditions and high pay for that instead mostly - just give the right people worker visas. Most of the actual nationally conducted industrial espionage involved export controlled military industrial complex linked bits. Business intelligence meanwhile is more about reverse engineering and observation while not crossing the red line into illegality. Things like deducing the state of thejr competitors by the number of cars in their lots at what time of day - "more cars at odd hours and weekends may hint at a frenzied rush and that they may be running behind schedule".

PradeetPatel 5y ago
Modern business intelligence practices definitely borrow techniques well established fields such as OSINT and HUMINT, often bordering the life of illegality but never crossing it. As someone who works in the reputation management industry, we often monitor major social media platforms for keywords and conduct sentiment analysis on individuals of interest. This is done with the intention of ensuring the correct narratives are understood by the public, and to ascertain potential internal threat actors/whistleblowers before they embark on their mission.
- nebula8804 5y ago
  Oh man you must have some amazing stories. Any cool ones you could share?

deltaonefour 5y ago

It's not like China is hiding this stuff. They do this to themselves as in their own employees regularly steal schematics and technologies and spread it all over the place.

throwmamatrain 5y ago

One interesting note about this, is that there are machines for automating manufacturing that are explicitly not allowed to be exported. source: friend who did factory liaison for USA companies in Shanghai