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Brave shills cryptoshit at me, and Mozilla shills VPNs at me. Chrome is from an ad company. All three set off my sleaze alarm. What a sad state of affairs.

ButtSpark69 5y ago
In Brave you can just turn the adds off. They're optional for if you want to earn their token.
- onion2k 5y ago
  You're still supporting the cryptocurrency ecosystem by using it though. It's not completely unreasonable to want to avoid doing that if you're opposed to cryptocurrencies in a wider context.
- vadfa 5y ago
  You can do that but they will eventually add a new ad. One day they added a small widget to buy crypto in the new tab page. That was the breaking point for me. Like it happened with Firefox ads, I started to understand that Brave was working against me too.
wutbrodo 5y ago
Yes, high-quality free products tend to try to find ways to fund themselves that involve appeals to their users. It's beyond ludicrous to find this a "sad state of affairs".
- IntelMiner 5y ago
  If only there was some sort of "free high quality product" operating system that existed and proved this asinine defense of capitalism wrong
  - p410n3 5y ago
    That'd be nice. But all we got is Linux on the desktop...
    - LordAtlas 5y ago
      Comedy is truth and pain.
  - moonchrome 5y ago
    >If only there was some sort of "free high quality product" operating system that existed and proved this asinine defense of capitalism wrong The only reason Linux is popular on servers is because it has huge corporate sponsorship. Big players figured it it's more beneficial for their bottom line to commoditize the backend infrastructure and invest in OSS. Same is happening with developer tools. It's not happening with anything consumer facing because everyone wants to take their angle at capitalising on the market. I can't think of quality user facing OSS that isn't aimed at developers or isn't trying to capitalise on the users somehow. Scratch that - blender is the only one I can think of - these guys are an amazing exception.
    - hattar 5y ago
      Keepass, Calibre, and 7-zip come to mind.
      - SalamiMoon 5y ago
        VLC and OBS as well.
        moonchrome 5y ago
        VLC is a good point I forgot about it. AFAIK OBS is sponsored by streaming platforms - I think it's another case of comoditizing the infrastructure.
      - moonchrome 5y ago
        I won't argue these projects aren't quality because they certainly do the job, but they obviously lack polish of commercial software. Eg. despite looking into kepass I still chose to pay for 1password, just for the convenience.
  - wutbrodo 5y ago
    Another free product is the online dictionary! You may want to look up the word "tend", and the lack of universality it implies.
Certhas 5y ago
If Brave and Firefox are in the same league as Chrome for you your sleaze alarm is a very very bad guide to the modern world and seriously needs upgrading.
- Eelongate 5y ago
  There are different levels of sleaze; I use firefox not chrome so don't try to put words into my mouth. While firefox may be a better choice than the other two, that's not saying much and Mozilla is very sleazy. If you don't see that, maybe you're acclimatized to it.
  - blindmute 5y ago
    How do you recommend Mozilla generates the millions in revenue necessary to develop a browser?
  - KronisLV 5y ago
    > While firefox may be a better choice than the other two, that's not saying much and Mozilla is very sleazy. Rather than take such statements at face value, here's an example of one such instance that probably hurts its credibility: https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html Also, they're not exactly a world apart from Google in some respects either, for example: https://killedbymozilla.com/ https://killedbymozilla.com/ vs https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/ (though i guess the amount of projects also illustrates the difference in their sizes) However, that's not to say that we even have many viable alternatives to Firefox either: https://batsov.com/articles/2021/11/28/firefox-is-the-only-alternative/ https://batsov.com/articles/2021/11/28/firefox-is-the-only-a... Personally, i think that we're past the peak of Firefox and are currently in the midst of it fading away, which i expect will come to its conclusion in the following decade. Apart from that, we basically have just a bunch of browsers that are all similar to Chromium. Essentially, Chrome will have probably lived long enough to kill IE by becoming the next IE. Who knows where the web standards will go when there will only be Google backed browsers: https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/ https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/
path411 5y ago
Brave even in the discussion is atleast a big improvement in affairs. I couldn't name a single chromium privacy fork from 5 years ago or whenever they started. It's also like a few clicks to turn off brave settings. It's less setup for brave than I go through on any new video game settings lol
DeathArrow 5y ago
I use Edge. It works on Windows, Linux and Android.
- moonchrome 5y ago
  This is the worst option, Microsoft has consistently show they have the lowest ethical standards when it comes to products like Edge. They packed in a 3rd party payment tool in the browser ! It's like browser with crapware built in. The only reason they aren't worse than Google is that they've been so shit at capturing the market share they don't get to make the same kind of moves, but Bing/Edge are not good alternatives for Google/Chrome. I'm not one of those people that screams "M$ evil boooo", I actually use .NET day-to-day on a current project. But they have a really shit track record on Edge, it's the first browser I would avoid.
  - DeathArrow 5y ago
    What 3rd party payment? I enjoy Edge because it blocks ads on Android, supports Chrome extensions and it is not controlled by Google.
    - moonchrome 5y ago
      There was a post here recently about it [1]. After shipping this with browser I would have 0 trust in this product. I gave up on Edge because it didn't support uBlock origin on Android, I view bundled add blockers as just another way for the browser to block competition while still serving you their own "respectful" ads. [1] https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-edge-buy-now-pay-later/ https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-edge-buy-now-pay-la...
  - skrowl 5y ago
    Your M$ evil boooo mentality is somewhat out of date. Microsoft is making great strides in open source and Linux. A decade ago, you wouldn't have believed MS would publish SQL Server for Linux, release something as great as VS Code, create Windows Subsystem for Linux (and Android soon), acquire npm and github and make them better rather than destroying them, etc.
jug 5y ago
Vivaldi?
- NylaTheWolf 5y ago
  I've started using Vivaldi to break away from Chrome because the features just drew me in. It has a its quirks and flaws, but I really like it!

ButtSpark69 5y ago

In Brave you can just turn the adds off. They're optional for if you want to earn their token.

onion2k 5y ago
You're still supporting the cryptocurrency ecosystem by using it though. It's not completely unreasonable to want to avoid doing that if you're opposed to cryptocurrencies in a wider context.
vadfa 5y ago
You can do that but they will eventually add a new ad. One day they added a small widget to buy crypto in the new tab page. That was the breaking point for me. Like it happened with Firefox ads, I started to understand that Brave was working against me too.

wutbrodo 5y ago

Yes, high-quality free products tend to try to find ways to fund themselves that involve appeals to their users. It's beyond ludicrous to find this a "sad state of affairs".

IntelMiner 5y ago
If only there was some sort of "free high quality product" operating system that existed and proved this asinine defense of capitalism wrong
- p410n3 5y ago
  That'd be nice. But all we got is Linux on the desktop...
  - LordAtlas 5y ago
    Comedy is truth and pain.
- moonchrome 5y ago
  >If only there was some sort of "free high quality product" operating system that existed and proved this asinine defense of capitalism wrong The only reason Linux is popular on servers is because it has huge corporate sponsorship. Big players figured it it's more beneficial for their bottom line to commoditize the backend infrastructure and invest in OSS. Same is happening with developer tools. It's not happening with anything consumer facing because everyone wants to take their angle at capitalising on the market. I can't think of quality user facing OSS that isn't aimed at developers or isn't trying to capitalise on the users somehow. Scratch that - blender is the only one I can think of - these guys are an amazing exception.
  - hattar 5y ago
    Keepass, Calibre, and 7-zip come to mind.
    - SalamiMoon 5y ago
      VLC and OBS as well.
      - moonchrome 5y ago
        VLC is a good point I forgot about it. AFAIK OBS is sponsored by streaming platforms - I think it's another case of comoditizing the infrastructure.
    - moonchrome 5y ago
      I won't argue these projects aren't quality because they certainly do the job, but they obviously lack polish of commercial software. Eg. despite looking into kepass I still chose to pay for 1password, just for the convenience.
- wutbrodo 5y ago
  Another free product is the online dictionary! You may want to look up the word "tend", and the lack of universality it implies.

Certhas 5y ago

If Brave and Firefox are in the same league as Chrome for you your sleaze alarm is a very very bad guide to the modern world and seriously needs upgrading.

Eelongate 5y ago
There are different levels of sleaze; I use firefox not chrome so don't try to put words into my mouth. While firefox may be a better choice than the other two, that's not saying much and Mozilla is very sleazy. If you don't see that, maybe you're acclimatized to it.
- blindmute 5y ago
  How do you recommend Mozilla generates the millions in revenue necessary to develop a browser?
- KronisLV 5y ago
  > While firefox may be a better choice than the other two, that's not saying much and Mozilla is very sleazy. Rather than take such statements at face value, here's an example of one such instance that probably hurts its credibility: https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html Also, they're not exactly a world apart from Google in some respects either, for example: https://killedbymozilla.com/ https://killedbymozilla.com/ vs https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/ (though i guess the amount of projects also illustrates the difference in their sizes) However, that's not to say that we even have many viable alternatives to Firefox either: https://batsov.com/articles/2021/11/28/firefox-is-the-only-alternative/ https://batsov.com/articles/2021/11/28/firefox-is-the-only-a... Personally, i think that we're past the peak of Firefox and are currently in the midst of it fading away, which i expect will come to its conclusion in the following decade. Apart from that, we basically have just a bunch of browsers that are all similar to Chromium. Essentially, Chrome will have probably lived long enough to kill IE by becoming the next IE. Who knows where the web standards will go when there will only be Google backed browsers: https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/ https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/

path411 5y ago

Brave even in the discussion is atleast a big improvement in affairs. I couldn't name a single chromium privacy fork from 5 years ago or whenever they started. It's also like a few clicks to turn off brave settings. It's less setup for brave than I go through on any new video game settings lol

DeathArrow 5y ago

I use Edge. It works on Windows, Linux and Android.

moonchrome 5y ago
This is the worst option, Microsoft has consistently show they have the lowest ethical standards when it comes to products like Edge. They packed in a 3rd party payment tool in the browser ! It's like browser with crapware built in. The only reason they aren't worse than Google is that they've been so shit at capturing the market share they don't get to make the same kind of moves, but Bing/Edge are not good alternatives for Google/Chrome. I'm not one of those people that screams "M$ evil boooo", I actually use .NET day-to-day on a current project. But they have a really shit track record on Edge, it's the first browser I would avoid.
- DeathArrow 5y ago
  What 3rd party payment? I enjoy Edge because it blocks ads on Android, supports Chrome extensions and it is not controlled by Google.
  - moonchrome 5y ago
    There was a post here recently about it [1]. After shipping this with browser I would have 0 trust in this product. I gave up on Edge because it didn't support uBlock origin on Android, I view bundled add blockers as just another way for the browser to block competition while still serving you their own "respectful" ads. [1] https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-edge-buy-now-pay-later/ https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-edge-buy-now-pay-la...
- skrowl 5y ago
  Your M$ evil boooo mentality is somewhat out of date. Microsoft is making great strides in open source and Linux. A decade ago, you wouldn't have believed MS would publish SQL Server for Linux, release something as great as VS Code, create Windows Subsystem for Linux (and Android soon), acquire npm and github and make them better rather than destroying them, etc.

jug 5y ago

Vivaldi?

NylaTheWolf 5y ago
I've started using Vivaldi to break away from Chrome because the features just drew me in. It has a its quirks and flaws, but I really like it!