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At least with tech there seems to be very little de-globalization. The vast majority of tech companies and even consumer products have both a workforce and cus

At least with tech there seems to be very little de-globalization. The vast majority of tech companies and even consumer products have both a workforce and customer-base that spans the globe. A few outliers like Huawei make news but not a global trend.

vineyardmike 5y ago
I think we’re about to see this trend reverse - and fast. Countries/EU started passing intense laws and regulations that means companies start operating differently in different places. Faang will stay for a while but listen to how many HN commenters skip the EU for GDPR reasons. We may soon see national scope app stores based on recent anti trust cases. No one even tries to work inn China anymore. Japanese internet is still using Yahoo, and india is on-shoring their own industry fast. Russia practically has their own internet like China. Big hosting companies are setting up smaller and more frequent data centers in each nation. Just look at the AWS Korea and Indian data centers as a map of what’s to come. Or cloudflare selling “hosted nearby” services. They’re selling shovels for a world where data hosting has national borders and export laws.
- gdy 5y ago
  "Russia practically has their own internet like China." No, we do not. For example, Google and Yandex are intensely competing for the Russian search market.
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    Edit: this wasn't supposed to be a "firewall" type comment, but that there are local-market entrants. Yandex is basically Russia only, and there is a handful of alts to American companies that are Russia only.
    - gdy 5y ago
      "Yandex is basically Russia only" Not entirely. [0] Here is Yandex’s market share in several countries (Statcounter, July 2019): Russia: 48.79% Belarus: 22.38% Kazakhstan: 21.88% Tajkistan: 15.12% Uzbekistan: 11.87% Turkey: 10.67% Kyrgyzstan: 9.61% Turkmenistan: 6.73% Ukraine: 5.98% Armenia: 4.20% Moldova: 3.40% Georgia: 2.85% Azerbaijan: 2.06% [0] https://searchfacts.com/what-is-yandex/ https://searchfacts.com/what-is-yandex/
- frockington1 5y ago
  I've also noticed a re-onshoring trend at every company I've worked at. As more of the 'factory-work' of programming was automated the appeal of offshore developers has dropped. It's also tightly coupled with the increased wages demanded of offshore workers (good for them).

vineyardmike 5y ago

I think we’re about to see this trend reverse - and fast. Countries/EU started passing intense laws and regulations that means companies start operating differently in different places. Faang will stay for a while but listen to how many HN commenters skip the EU for GDPR reasons. We may soon see national scope app stores based on recent anti trust cases. No one even tries to work inn China anymore. Japanese internet is still using Yahoo, and india is on-shoring their own industry fast. Russia practically has their own internet like China. Big hosting companies are setting up smaller and more frequent data centers in each nation. Just look at the AWS Korea and Indian data centers as a map of what’s to come. Or cloudflare selling “hosted nearby” services. They’re selling shovels for a world where data hosting has national borders and export laws.

gdy 5y ago
"Russia practically has their own internet like China." No, we do not. For example, Google and Yandex are intensely competing for the Russian search market.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  Edit: this wasn't supposed to be a "firewall" type comment, but that there are local-market entrants. Yandex is basically Russia only, and there is a handful of alts to American companies that are Russia only.
  - gdy 5y ago
    "Yandex is basically Russia only" Not entirely. [0] Here is Yandex’s market share in several countries (Statcounter, July 2019): Russia: 48.79% Belarus: 22.38% Kazakhstan: 21.88% Tajkistan: 15.12% Uzbekistan: 11.87% Turkey: 10.67% Kyrgyzstan: 9.61% Turkmenistan: 6.73% Ukraine: 5.98% Armenia: 4.20% Moldova: 3.40% Georgia: 2.85% Azerbaijan: 2.06% [0] https://searchfacts.com/what-is-yandex/ https://searchfacts.com/what-is-yandex/
frockington1 5y ago
I've also noticed a re-onshoring trend at every company I've worked at. As more of the 'factory-work' of programming was automated the appeal of offshore developers has dropped. It's also tightly coupled with the increased wages demanded of offshore workers (good for them).