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I understand what you're saying, and despite the content of my above post I've never been an Apple guy, always a Windows one. Every time I went over to the App

by 51Cards 15y ago

I understand what you're saying, and despite the content of my above post I've never been an Apple guy, always a Windows one. Every time I went over to the Apple OS I felt I had one hand tied behind my back by lack of options. I also try to keep in mind that I'm not typical. I started on "PCs" in 1981 and have grown with them, this all comes naturally. So when I judge a UI I literally stick my Mom on it... she's 68. I have also had the good fortune to work with a lot of 'artistic types' over the years as well, and in turn I watched how they use a UI. In my experience they just don't use much more than what is presented before them option wise. Trust me, I agree that this new ribbon is very cluttered and contains too much visual noise, but in turn I don't mind exposing things visually to the end user. I hate MS Office with the ribbon, but I deal with people all the time who love it. Just let me turn it off :)

DougBTX 15y ago
I felt I had one hand tied behind my back That reminds me of the first few times I tried to learn vim.
- jbrechtel 15y ago
  Yea. For me it was like two hands... :) Now though, any other editor that's not Vim or Emacs feels like that...
- william42 15y ago
  It reminds me of why I stopped using vim after switching to Dvorak.
  - dasil003 15y ago
    Shit that sounds painful.
nkassis 15y ago
". I also try to keep in mind that I'm not typical. ... So when I judge a UI I literally stick my Mom on it... she's 68" Well she no more typical a computer user than you are I would think. I like to see a curve of typical computer users age distribution (but I understand it would be a little skewed if it's hard for the older generations to use computers). I feel that ribbon is designed for a select group of new users who need that kind of help. And I hope it's easy to disable it. It's fine for Microsoft to use something like this as a default mode as long as power users are able to turn that stuff off. This is what turns me off on OS X, there is often no way to do certain more advanced things. Or it's hidden so well it requires hours of searching on the web for what plist to modify.
- jarin 15y ago
  What "advanced" things are you talking about that a regular user would need?
  - josch 15y ago
    I would love to be able to remove a (huge) file without going through the trash can.
    - JadeNB 15y ago
      > I would love to be able to remove a (huge) file without going through the trash can. 1. Why? 2. `rm huge-file`
- rolleiflex 15y ago
  The only thing I felt missing that I needed from OSX Finder is "Rename All". Do you have any other examples of this?
  - stephen_g 15y ago
    Cut and pasting files would be useful, but that's about all I miss.
    - glhaynes 15y ago
      In Lion, after copying a file in Finder, you have available both Paste and Move.
      - stephen_g 15y ago
        Thanks, I didn't notice that! The shortcut for move is Cmd-Option-V, if anyone wants to know.
kiiski 15y ago
"Just let me turn it off" Just double click on one of the tabs.
berne 15y ago
Ctrl+F1?

by 51Cards 15y ago

DougBTX 15y ago

I felt I had one hand tied behind my back That reminds me of the first few times I tried to learn vim.

jbrechtel 15y ago
Yea. For me it was like two hands... :) Now though, any other editor that's not Vim or Emacs feels like that...
william42 15y ago
It reminds me of why I stopped using vim after switching to Dvorak.
- dasil003 15y ago
  Shit that sounds painful.

nkassis 15y ago

". I also try to keep in mind that I'm not typical. ... So when I judge a UI I literally stick my Mom on it... she's 68" Well she no more typical a computer user than you are I would think. I like to see a curve of typical computer users age distribution (but I understand it would be a little skewed if it's hard for the older generations to use computers). I feel that ribbon is designed for a select group of new users who need that kind of help. And I hope it's easy to disable it. It's fine for Microsoft to use something like this as a default mode as long as power users are able to turn that stuff off. This is what turns me off on OS X, there is often no way to do certain more advanced things. Or it's hidden so well it requires hours of searching on the web for what plist to modify.

jarin 15y ago
What "advanced" things are you talking about that a regular user would need?
- josch 15y ago
  I would love to be able to remove a (huge) file without going through the trash can.
  - JadeNB 15y ago
    > I would love to be able to remove a (huge) file without going through the trash can. 1. Why? 2. `rm huge-file`
rolleiflex 15y ago
The only thing I felt missing that I needed from OSX Finder is "Rename All". Do you have any other examples of this?
- stephen_g 15y ago
  Cut and pasting files would be useful, but that's about all I miss.
  - glhaynes 15y ago
    In Lion, after copying a file in Finder, you have available both Paste and Move.
    - stephen_g 15y ago
      Thanks, I didn't notice that! The shortcut for move is Cmd-Option-V, if anyone wants to know.

kiiski 15y ago

"Just let me turn it off" Just double click on one of the tabs.

berne 15y ago

Ctrl+F1?