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Just use brave. I don't get why people are still trying to split off a new no-Google pro privacy chromium when there is a Very good option already. If people pu

Just use brave. I don't get why people are still trying to split off a new no-Google pro privacy chromium when there is a Very good option already. If people pushed to help brave even better we would be in a very good world

Eelongate 5y ago
Brave shills cryptoshit at me, and Mozilla shills VPNs at me. Chrome is from an ad company. All three set off my sleaze alarm. What a sad state of affairs.
- ButtSpark69 5y ago
  In Brave you can just turn the adds off. They're optional for if you want to earn their token.
  - onion2k 5y ago
    You're still supporting the cryptocurrency ecosystem by using it though. It's not completely unreasonable to want to avoid doing that if you're opposed to cryptocurrencies in a wider context.
  - vadfa 5y ago
    You can do that but they will eventually add a new ad. One day they added a small widget to buy crypto in the new tab page. That was the breaking point for me. Like it happened with Firefox ads, I started to understand that Brave was working against me too.
- wutbrodo 5y ago
  Yes, high-quality free products tend to try to find ways to fund themselves that involve appeals to their users. It's beyond ludicrous to find this a "sad state of affairs".
  - IntelMiner 5y ago
    If only there was some sort of "free high quality product" operating system that existed and proved this asinine defense of capitalism wrong
    - p410n3 5y ago
      That'd be nice. But all we got is Linux on the desktop...
      - LordAtlas 5y ago
        Comedy is truth and pain.
    - moonchrome 5y ago
      >If only there was some sort of "free high quality product" operating system that existed and proved this asinine defense of capitalism wrong The only reason Linux is popular on servers is because it has huge corporate sponsorship. Big players figured it it's more beneficial for their bottom line to commoditize the backend infrastructure and invest in OSS. Same is happening with developer tools. It's not happening with anything consumer facing because everyone wants to take their angle at capitalising on the market. I can't think of quality user facing OSS that isn't aimed at developers or isn't trying to capitalise on the users somehow. Scratch that - blender is the only one I can think of - these guys are an amazing exception.
      - hattar 5y ago
        Keepass, Calibre, and 7-zip come to mind.
        SalamiMoon 5y ago
        VLC and OBS as well.
        5y ago
- Certhas 5y ago
  If Brave and Firefox are in the same league as Chrome for you your sleaze alarm is a very very bad guide to the modern world and seriously needs upgrading.
  - Eelongate 5y ago
    There are different levels of sleaze; I use firefox not chrome so don't try to put words into my mouth. While firefox may be a better choice than the other two, that's not saying much and Mozilla is very sleazy. If you don't see that, maybe you're acclimatized to it.
    - blindmute 5y ago
      How do you recommend Mozilla generates the millions in revenue necessary to develop a browser?
    - KronisLV 5y ago
      > While firefox may be a better choice than the other two, that's not saying much and Mozilla is very sleazy. Rather than take such statements at face value, here's an example of one such instance that probably hurts its credibility: https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html Also, they're not exactly a world apart from Google in some respects either, for example: https://killedbymozilla.com/ https://killedbymozilla.com/ vs https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/ (though i guess the amount of projects also illustrates the difference in their sizes) However, that's not to say that we even have many viable alternatives to Firefox either: https://batsov.com/articles/2021/11/28/firefox-is-the-only-alternative/ https://batsov.com/articles/2021/11/28/firefox-is-the-only-a... Personally, i think that we're past the peak of Firefox and are currently in the midst of it fading away, which i expect will come to its conclusion in the following decade. Apart from that, we basically have just a bunch of browsers that are all similar to Chromium. Essentially, Chrome will have probably lived long enough to kill IE by becoming the next IE. Who knows where the web standards will go when there will only be Google backed browsers: https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/ https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/
- path411 5y ago
  Brave even in the discussion is atleast a big improvement in affairs. I couldn't name a single chromium privacy fork from 5 years ago or whenever they started. It's also like a few clicks to turn off brave settings. It's less setup for brave than I go through on any new video game settings lol
- DeathArrow 5y ago
  I use Edge. It works on Windows, Linux and Android.
  - moonchrome 5y ago
    This is the worst option, Microsoft has consistently show they have the lowest ethical standards when it comes to products like Edge. They packed in a 3rd party payment tool in the browser ! It's like browser with crapware built in. The only reason they aren't worse than Google is that they've been so shit at capturing the market share they don't get to make the same kind of moves, but Bing/Edge are not good alternatives for Google/Chrome. I'm not one of those people that screams "M$ evil boooo", I actually use .NET day-to-day on a current project. But they have a really shit track record on Edge, it's the first browser I would avoid.
    - DeathArrow 5y ago
      What 3rd party payment? I enjoy Edge because it blocks ads on Android, supports Chrome extensions and it is not controlled by Google.
      - moonchrome 5y ago
        There was a post here recently about it [1]. After shipping this with browser I would have 0 trust in this product. I gave up on Edge because it didn't support uBlock origin on Android, I view bundled add blockers as just another way for the browser to block competition while still serving you their own "respectful" ads. [1] https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-edge-buy-now-pay-later/ https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-edge-buy-now-pay-la...
    - skrowl 5y ago
      Your M$ evil boooo mentality is somewhat out of date. Microsoft is making great strides in open source and Linux. A decade ago, you wouldn't have believed MS would publish SQL Server for Linux, release something as great as VS Code, create Windows Subsystem for Linux (and Android soon), acquire npm and github and make them better rather than destroying them, etc.
- jug 5y ago
  Vivaldi?
  - NylaTheWolf 5y ago
    I've started using Vivaldi to break away from Chrome because the features just drew me in. It has a its quirks and flaws, but I really like it!
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redkoala 5y ago
Brave is also based on the Chromium engine, and using any Chromium based browser would work against open web standards.
howdydoo 5y ago
Ungoogled Chromium isn't new. It predates Brave by years. And Brave is funded by advertising, just like Google. (In theory, at least, if the company becomes self-sustaining.) I'm not sure why we needed to add cryptocurrency to that formula.
- blacksmith_tb 5y ago
  I only use Brave for Google properties like gMaps and Google Translate (which never work quite right in FF for me), but you don't have to turn on any of the crypto stuff if you don't want to, I keep it all disabled.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  I don't have a problem with ads, I have a problem with tracking and profile building.
yosito 5y ago
I'm curious why Brave crashes on CalyxOS (degoogled Android) any time I try to view my wallet balance.
- bsclifton 5y ago
  Likely due to SafetyNet API not being supported on that platform. I think this is captured with https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/15344 https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/15344
  - franga2000 5y ago
    Why the hell does a web browser implement SafetyNet?!? The one and only justifiable use for SafetyNet that I've seen is Snapchat - everything else has been a net negative...
    - bsclifton 5y ago
      If a user has Brave Rewards and ads enabled and gets an ad grant at the end of the month, SafetyNet is one measure used to help filter out fraudsters. The absence of it shouldn't cause a crash though
    - heavyset_go 5y ago
      It's DRM that ensures only Google-approved platforms can run Android apps.
  - yosito 5y ago
    Thanks for the info! Very disappointing that Brave markets themselves as a degoogled browser, but depends on Google Play Services.
IncRnd 5y ago
Well, if I took all the brave features out of brave, it might then be reasonable to use.
Yizahi 5y ago
The problem is that Brave, Edge, Chromium, Vivaldi and everything else are not "split from Chrome". They are in sync in Chrome and just add their gimmics to every new Chrome change. There is zero point in using any of them if the target is to dethrone Google from their monopoly. The real "split from Chrome" browser is for example Safari - Safari and Chrome go back to the same Webkit but went different ways, with different decisions and different codebase. Brave is just a clone of Chrome with bells and whistles. Not very brave, just saying :)
- freedomben 5y ago
  You think Ungoogled Chromium is more split than Brave is? Or are you not replying to what the parent said?
MisterSandman 5y ago
Brave is done a lot of sleazy shit in the past, I clouding redirecting all Amazon links to their own Amazon referrals etc. They're hardly the knight in shining armour HN makes them out to be.

Eelongate 5y ago

Brave shills cryptoshit at me, and Mozilla shills VPNs at me. Chrome is from an ad company. All three set off my sleaze alarm. What a sad state of affairs.

ButtSpark69 5y ago
In Brave you can just turn the adds off. They're optional for if you want to earn their token.
- onion2k 5y ago
  You're still supporting the cryptocurrency ecosystem by using it though. It's not completely unreasonable to want to avoid doing that if you're opposed to cryptocurrencies in a wider context.
- vadfa 5y ago
  You can do that but they will eventually add a new ad. One day they added a small widget to buy crypto in the new tab page. That was the breaking point for me. Like it happened with Firefox ads, I started to understand that Brave was working against me too.
wutbrodo 5y ago
Yes, high-quality free products tend to try to find ways to fund themselves that involve appeals to their users. It's beyond ludicrous to find this a "sad state of affairs".
- IntelMiner 5y ago
  If only there was some sort of "free high quality product" operating system that existed and proved this asinine defense of capitalism wrong
  - p410n3 5y ago
    That'd be nice. But all we got is Linux on the desktop...
    - LordAtlas 5y ago
      Comedy is truth and pain.
  - moonchrome 5y ago
    >If only there was some sort of "free high quality product" operating system that existed and proved this asinine defense of capitalism wrong The only reason Linux is popular on servers is because it has huge corporate sponsorship. Big players figured it it's more beneficial for their bottom line to commoditize the backend infrastructure and invest in OSS. Same is happening with developer tools. It's not happening with anything consumer facing because everyone wants to take their angle at capitalising on the market. I can't think of quality user facing OSS that isn't aimed at developers or isn't trying to capitalise on the users somehow. Scratch that - blender is the only one I can think of - these guys are an amazing exception.
    - hattar 5y ago
      Keepass, Calibre, and 7-zip come to mind.
      - SalamiMoon 5y ago
        VLC and OBS as well.
        5y ago
Certhas 5y ago
If Brave and Firefox are in the same league as Chrome for you your sleaze alarm is a very very bad guide to the modern world and seriously needs upgrading.
- Eelongate 5y ago
  There are different levels of sleaze; I use firefox not chrome so don't try to put words into my mouth. While firefox may be a better choice than the other two, that's not saying much and Mozilla is very sleazy. If you don't see that, maybe you're acclimatized to it.
  - blindmute 5y ago
    How do you recommend Mozilla generates the millions in revenue necessary to develop a browser?
  - KronisLV 5y ago
    > While firefox may be a better choice than the other two, that's not saying much and Mozilla is very sleazy. Rather than take such statements at face value, here's an example of one such instance that probably hurts its credibility: https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html Also, they're not exactly a world apart from Google in some respects either, for example: https://killedbymozilla.com/ https://killedbymozilla.com/ vs https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/ (though i guess the amount of projects also illustrates the difference in their sizes) However, that's not to say that we even have many viable alternatives to Firefox either: https://batsov.com/articles/2021/11/28/firefox-is-the-only-alternative/ https://batsov.com/articles/2021/11/28/firefox-is-the-only-a... Personally, i think that we're past the peak of Firefox and are currently in the midst of it fading away, which i expect will come to its conclusion in the following decade. Apart from that, we basically have just a bunch of browsers that are all similar to Chromium. Essentially, Chrome will have probably lived long enough to kill IE by becoming the next IE. Who knows where the web standards will go when there will only be Google backed browsers: https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/ https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/
path411 5y ago
Brave even in the discussion is atleast a big improvement in affairs. I couldn't name a single chromium privacy fork from 5 years ago or whenever they started. It's also like a few clicks to turn off brave settings. It's less setup for brave than I go through on any new video game settings lol
DeathArrow 5y ago
I use Edge. It works on Windows, Linux and Android.
- moonchrome 5y ago
  This is the worst option, Microsoft has consistently show they have the lowest ethical standards when it comes to products like Edge. They packed in a 3rd party payment tool in the browser ! It's like browser with crapware built in. The only reason they aren't worse than Google is that they've been so shit at capturing the market share they don't get to make the same kind of moves, but Bing/Edge are not good alternatives for Google/Chrome. I'm not one of those people that screams "M$ evil boooo", I actually use .NET day-to-day on a current project. But they have a really shit track record on Edge, it's the first browser I would avoid.
  - DeathArrow 5y ago
    What 3rd party payment? I enjoy Edge because it blocks ads on Android, supports Chrome extensions and it is not controlled by Google.
    - moonchrome 5y ago
      There was a post here recently about it [1]. After shipping this with browser I would have 0 trust in this product. I gave up on Edge because it didn't support uBlock origin on Android, I view bundled add blockers as just another way for the browser to block competition while still serving you their own "respectful" ads. [1] https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-edge-buy-now-pay-later/ https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-edge-buy-now-pay-la...
  - skrowl 5y ago
    Your M$ evil boooo mentality is somewhat out of date. Microsoft is making great strides in open source and Linux. A decade ago, you wouldn't have believed MS would publish SQL Server for Linux, release something as great as VS Code, create Windows Subsystem for Linux (and Android soon), acquire npm and github and make them better rather than destroying them, etc.
jug 5y ago
Vivaldi?
- NylaTheWolf 5y ago
  I've started using Vivaldi to break away from Chrome because the features just drew me in. It has a its quirks and flaws, but I really like it!

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redkoala 5y ago

Brave is also based on the Chromium engine, and using any Chromium based browser would work against open web standards.

howdydoo 5y ago

Ungoogled Chromium isn't new. It predates Brave by years. And Brave is funded by advertising, just like Google. (In theory, at least, if the company becomes self-sustaining.) I'm not sure why we needed to add cryptocurrency to that formula.

blacksmith_tb 5y ago
I only use Brave for Google properties like gMaps and Google Translate (which never work quite right in FF for me), but you don't have to turn on any of the crypto stuff if you don't want to, I keep it all disabled.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
I don't have a problem with ads, I have a problem with tracking and profile building.

yosito 5y ago

I'm curious why Brave crashes on CalyxOS (degoogled Android) any time I try to view my wallet balance.

bsclifton 5y ago
Likely due to SafetyNet API not being supported on that platform. I think this is captured with https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/15344 https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/15344
- franga2000 5y ago
  Why the hell does a web browser implement SafetyNet?!? The one and only justifiable use for SafetyNet that I've seen is Snapchat - everything else has been a net negative...
  - bsclifton 5y ago
    If a user has Brave Rewards and ads enabled and gets an ad grant at the end of the month, SafetyNet is one measure used to help filter out fraudsters. The absence of it shouldn't cause a crash though
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    It's DRM that ensures only Google-approved platforms can run Android apps.
- yosito 5y ago
  Thanks for the info! Very disappointing that Brave markets themselves as a degoogled browser, but depends on Google Play Services.

IncRnd 5y ago

Well, if I took all the brave features out of brave, it might then be reasonable to use.

Yizahi 5y ago

The problem is that Brave, Edge, Chromium, Vivaldi and everything else are not "split from Chrome". They are in sync in Chrome and just add their gimmics to every new Chrome change. There is zero point in using any of them if the target is to dethrone Google from their monopoly. The real "split from Chrome" browser is for example Safari - Safari and Chrome go back to the same Webkit but went different ways, with different decisions and different codebase. Brave is just a clone of Chrome with bells and whistles. Not very brave, just saying :)

freedomben 5y ago
You think Ungoogled Chromium is more split than Brave is? Or are you not replying to what the parent said?

MisterSandman 5y ago

Brave is done a lot of sleazy shit in the past, I clouding redirecting all Amazon links to their own Amazon referrals etc. They're hardly the knight in shining armour HN makes them out to be.