> traditional masculinity The problem is that traditional masculinity isn't traditional. I suspect that most people think of it as stoical silence. But I don't

> traditional masculinity The problem is that traditional masculinity isn't traditional. I suspect that most people think of it as stoical silence. But I don't think thats universal. Reading brideshead revisited(1945), the whole thing is stuffed with what one might would call "overly emotional men" but that same generation is marked as the "greatest" in the UK. I really don't think its helpful to anyone to basically say: "here kid, you're on your own, if you can't solve it, we just keep quiet" Sure, discipline is key, but thats not the same as emotional repression. Its perfectly possible to be honest about your emotional state to someone, be stoic, self reliant and disciplined. I think the big problem is that people think that masculinity is about repression of everything apart from getting sex and money. Any deviation is treated as weakness. On the flip side, a woman with ambition, drive and leadership is treated like an anathema. Just as a man who cries in public. The coin flips both ways and I can't find an argument for it being useful to wider society