3 ms·

One of these things is not like the others. I really wouldn't put Apple in that group. The only reason I can think of even putting them in a nearby group is be

One of these things is not like the others. I really wouldn't put Apple in that group. The only reason I can think of even putting them in a nearby group is because of App Store restrictions, but you can still sideload your own code, and it doesn't apply to Macs at all.

fsflover 5y ago
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.en.html https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.en.html https://stallman.org/apple.html https://stallman.org/apple.html
- LeoPanthera 5y ago
  No offense, but Stallman has a very black and white view of the world. I saw him give a talk once, and it was peppered with childish insults and calling companies and products he didn't like by "funny" alternative names. It was impossible to take him seriously.
  - mrpopo 5y ago
    Shooting the messenger. The linked page is not up to encyclopedic standards of neutrality, but there are bits worth discussing.
    - blitzar 5y ago
      > Apple devices lock users in solely to Apple services by being designed to be incompatible with all other options, ethical or unethical. Is this litterally the best facts that gnu.org could come up with? Who put together this crap; a 12 year old or a guy who sells mattresses and is gonna launch his big lawsuit any day now.
      - fsflover 5y ago
        But it’s true. Can you use Apple Watch with Android? No. You even cannot use it with an iPad!
        LeoPanthera 5y ago
        This is a bit like complaining that you can't use an Xbox controller with a Playstation.
        fsflover 5y ago
        There is no technical reason why Apple Watch can't work with other devices, except intentional Apple lockdown forcing users to buy iPhones. I see nothing similar with the gaming platforms. Apple Watch can't even be turned on without an iPhone. Have a look at PineTime - an open-source watch that can work with anything you want, or by itself.
        agentdax5 5y ago
        > I see nothing similar with the gaming platforms. How can you say that? I can’t run home brew games on an Xbox due to intentional locking down of the device by Microsoft forcing me to buy games they bless to be on their platform. But some how these companies get a pass but Apple gets constantly blasted for this practice? For the record, you should be able to do these things. But that is somewhat of a naive view of the world.
        blitzar 5y ago
        > But it’s true > Apple devices lock users in solely to Apple services by being designed to be incompatible with all other options incompatible with ALL other options Can you use an iPad with Gmail? Yes. Can you use google maps? Yes. Can you use the non apple internet? Yes. Can use non apple services on an OSX? Yes. Can you use dropbox? Yes. I wont keep going as the list of non apple services you can use with an apple device is bascially infinite. In the time it would take to write them all down many more would have come into existence. So it is demonstrably false, not even remotely close to being true. There are legitimate issues, you dont need to litterally make up shit to make the case. It is either lazy, or just shows that the people making the case are too retarded for the nuance needed to actually highlight the real problems that exist.
lordofgibbons 5y ago
>but you can still sideload your own code Unless something has changed very recently, you can't sideload apps to your iOS device without getting a developer account from Apple and owning another apple OSX product from which to do the installation. Not to mention being unable to use non-safari browsers on iOS and the scanning your images for illegal stuff they're planning on rolling out, and the extremely egregious anti right-to-repair lobbying they're doing. Apple is not your friend. The less control we have over their device, the more money they can make from us.
- prophesi 5y ago
  > and the extremely egregious anti right-to-repair lobbying they're doing. They're rolling out a self-repair program soon, though this is certainly due to pressure from shareholders and the like. The other points are completely valid but their sins pale in comparison to Google and Microsoft's.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    > but their sins pale in comparison to Google and Microsoft's I invite you to have a look at my favorite HN submissions about Apple: https://news.ycombinator.com/favorites?id=fsflover https://news.ycombinator.com/favorites?id=fsflover.
- deepdmistry 5y ago
  Unless i am mistaken, You can use non safari browsers on iOS. I use Firefox.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    No, the engine is still Safari. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587606 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587606.
tick_tock_tick 5y ago
> One of these things is not like the others. I really wouldn't put Apple in that group. Apple is an order of magnitude worse at "with the express intent of reducing our overall freedom".
fartcannon 5y ago
Apples closed and heavily taxed ecosystem is the worst of the three.

fsflover 5y ago

https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.en.html https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.en.html https://stallman.org/apple.html https://stallman.org/apple.html

LeoPanthera 5y ago
No offense, but Stallman has a very black and white view of the world. I saw him give a talk once, and it was peppered with childish insults and calling companies and products he didn't like by "funny" alternative names. It was impossible to take him seriously.
- mrpopo 5y ago
  Shooting the messenger. The linked page is not up to encyclopedic standards of neutrality, but there are bits worth discussing.
  - blitzar 5y ago
    > Apple devices lock users in solely to Apple services by being designed to be incompatible with all other options, ethical or unethical. Is this litterally the best facts that gnu.org could come up with? Who put together this crap; a 12 year old or a guy who sells mattresses and is gonna launch his big lawsuit any day now.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      But it’s true. Can you use Apple Watch with Android? No. You even cannot use it with an iPad!
      - LeoPanthera 5y ago
        This is a bit like complaining that you can't use an Xbox controller with a Playstation.
        fsflover 5y ago
        There is no technical reason why Apple Watch can't work with other devices, except intentional Apple lockdown forcing users to buy iPhones. I see nothing similar with the gaming platforms. Apple Watch can't even be turned on without an iPhone. Have a look at PineTime - an open-source watch that can work with anything you want, or by itself.
        agentdax5 5y ago
        > I see nothing similar with the gaming platforms. How can you say that? I can’t run home brew games on an Xbox due to intentional locking down of the device by Microsoft forcing me to buy games they bless to be on their platform. But some how these companies get a pass but Apple gets constantly blasted for this practice? For the record, you should be able to do these things. But that is somewhat of a naive view of the world.
      - blitzar 5y ago
        > But it’s true > Apple devices lock users in solely to Apple services by being designed to be incompatible with all other options incompatible with ALL other options Can you use an iPad with Gmail? Yes. Can you use google maps? Yes. Can you use the non apple internet? Yes. Can use non apple services on an OSX? Yes. Can you use dropbox? Yes. I wont keep going as the list of non apple services you can use with an apple device is bascially infinite. In the time it would take to write them all down many more would have come into existence. So it is demonstrably false, not even remotely close to being true. There are legitimate issues, you dont need to litterally make up shit to make the case. It is either lazy, or just shows that the people making the case are too retarded for the nuance needed to actually highlight the real problems that exist.

lordofgibbons 5y ago

>but you can still sideload your own code Unless something has changed very recently, you can't sideload apps to your iOS device without getting a developer account from Apple and owning another apple OSX product from which to do the installation. Not to mention being unable to use non-safari browsers on iOS and the scanning your images for illegal stuff they're planning on rolling out, and the extremely egregious anti right-to-repair lobbying they're doing. Apple is not your friend. The less control we have over their device, the more money they can make from us.

prophesi 5y ago
> and the extremely egregious anti right-to-repair lobbying they're doing. They're rolling out a self-repair program soon, though this is certainly due to pressure from shareholders and the like. The other points are completely valid but their sins pale in comparison to Google and Microsoft's.
- fsflover 5y ago
  > but their sins pale in comparison to Google and Microsoft's I invite you to have a look at my favorite HN submissions about Apple: https://news.ycombinator.com/favorites?id=fsflover https://news.ycombinator.com/favorites?id=fsflover.
deepdmistry 5y ago
Unless i am mistaken, You can use non safari browsers on iOS. I use Firefox.
- fsflover 5y ago
  No, the engine is still Safari. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587606 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587606.

tick_tock_tick 5y ago

> One of these things is not like the others. I really wouldn't put Apple in that group. Apple is an order of magnitude worse at "with the express intent of reducing our overall freedom".

fartcannon 5y ago

Apples closed and heavily taxed ecosystem is the worst of the three.