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This seems like an instance of the fallacy where people sort of operate from the premise that men are basically defective women and that following feminine beha
by philwelch 5y ago
This seems like an instance of the fallacy where people sort of operate from the premise that men are basically defective women and that following feminine behavior patterns will be helpful for them. It’s sort of tied up with the notion of “toxic masculinity”.
- monocasa 5y agoWhen you hear 'toxic masculinity', do you hear 'the subset of components of traditional masculinity which perpetuate toxicity' or do you hear 'masculinity, which at it's core is toxic'?
- philwelch 5y agoOne is the motte and the other is the bailey.
- monocasa 5y agoI haven't found that to be the case, after exploring the space not from what's filtered through propagandists.
- philwelch 5y agoHow would the people who use the term "toxic masculinity" react to the term "toxic femininity"? That's the tell.
- monocasa 5y agoToxic femininity is also a concept heavily explored in the same circles as the concept of toxic masculinity.
- michaelt 5y agoIt depends. If you take a list of traditionally 'manly' activities, like woodworking and growing a beard, then you subtract everything that women can do just as well as men - there are many skilled female woodworkers, we don't want them to feel unwelcome in the woodworking community, and woodworking doesn't make them any less feminine; after doing so, your list of 'manly' activities might be quite short and dominated by the toxic and the tautological, because everything else, like woodworking, has been removed. Personally I don't see things as that binary, but I can understand why some people might.
- pseudalopex 5y agoHow is that relevant to the meaning of toxic masculinity?
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- plorkyeran 5y agoNo, it really isn't.