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Or perhaps we could all stop using software written by people with the express intent of reducing our overall freedom? It's easy, just don't use Google, Micros

Or perhaps we could all stop using software written by people with the express intent of reducing our overall freedom? It's easy, just don't use Google, Microsoft and Apple stuff.

kube-system 5y ago
It's not that easy. Computing is a collaborative effort for many; these decisions are not made at the margin and in isolation.
kmeisthax 5y ago
It's easy, just don't use a computer.
LeoPanthera 5y ago
One of these things is not like the others. I really wouldn't put Apple in that group. The only reason I can think of even putting them in a nearby group is because of App Store restrictions, but you can still sideload your own code, and it doesn't apply to Macs at all.
- fsflover 5y ago
  https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.en.html https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.en.html https://stallman.org/apple.html https://stallman.org/apple.html
  - LeoPanthera 5y ago
    No offense, but Stallman has a very black and white view of the world. I saw him give a talk once, and it was peppered with childish insults and calling companies and products he didn't like by "funny" alternative names. It was impossible to take him seriously.
    - mrpopo 5y ago
      Shooting the messenger. The linked page is not up to encyclopedic standards of neutrality, but there are bits worth discussing.
      - blitzar 5y ago
        > Apple devices lock users in solely to Apple services by being designed to be incompatible with all other options, ethical or unethical. Is this litterally the best facts that gnu.org could come up with? Who put together this crap; a 12 year old or a guy who sells mattresses and is gonna launch his big lawsuit any day now.
        fsflover 5y ago
        But it’s true. Can you use Apple Watch with Android? No. You even cannot use it with an iPad!
        LeoPanthera 5y ago
        This is a bit like complaining that you can't use an Xbox controller with a Playstation.
        fsflover 5y ago
        There is no technical reason why Apple Watch can't work with other devices, except intentional Apple lockdown forcing users to buy iPhones. I see nothing similar with the gaming platforms. Apple Watch can't even be turned on without an iPhone. Have a look at PineTime - an open-source watch that can work with anything you want, or by itself.
        agentdax5 5y ago
        > I see nothing similar with the gaming platforms. How can you say that? I can’t run home brew games on an Xbox due to intentional locking down of the device by Microsoft forcing me to buy games they bless to be on their platform. But some how these companies get a pass but Apple gets constantly blasted for this practice? For the record, you should be able to do these things. But that is somewhat of a naive view of the world.
- lordofgibbons 5y ago
  >but you can still sideload your own code Unless something has changed very recently, you can't sideload apps to your iOS device without getting a developer account from Apple and owning another apple OSX product from which to do the installation. Not to mention being unable to use non-safari browsers on iOS and the scanning your images for illegal stuff they're planning on rolling out, and the extremely egregious anti right-to-repair lobbying they're doing. Apple is not your friend. The less control we have over their device, the more money they can make from us.
  - prophesi 5y ago
    > and the extremely egregious anti right-to-repair lobbying they're doing. They're rolling out a self-repair program soon, though this is certainly due to pressure from shareholders and the like. The other points are completely valid but their sins pale in comparison to Google and Microsoft's.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      > but their sins pale in comparison to Google and Microsoft's I invite you to have a look at my favorite HN submissions about Apple: https://news.ycombinator.com/favorites?id=fsflover https://news.ycombinator.com/favorites?id=fsflover.
  - deepdmistry 5y ago
    Unless i am mistaken, You can use non safari browsers on iOS. I use Firefox.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      No, the engine is still Safari. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587606 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587606.
- tick_tock_tick 5y ago
  > One of these things is not like the others. I really wouldn't put Apple in that group. Apple is an order of magnitude worse at "with the express intent of reducing our overall freedom".
- fartcannon 5y ago
  Apples closed and heavily taxed ecosystem is the worst of the three.
colordrops 5y ago
What phone OS do you use?
- fsflover 5y ago
  Mobian.
  - colordrops 5y ago
    You're not OP!
    - fsflover 5y ago
      Indeed, but I fully agree with the OP and do what they suggested.
- fartcannon 5y ago
  Mobian at home, and Lineage without GAPPs at work.
xeromal 5y ago
It's easy as avoiding drinking water. lol

Or perhaps we could all stop using software written by people with the express intent of reducing our overall freedom? It's easy, just don't use Google, Microsoft and Apple stuff.

kube-system 5y ago

It's not that easy. Computing is a collaborative effort for many; these decisions are not made at the margin and in isolation.

kmeisthax 5y ago

It's easy, just don't use a computer.

LeoPanthera 5y ago

One of these things is not like the others. I really wouldn't put Apple in that group. The only reason I can think of even putting them in a nearby group is because of App Store restrictions, but you can still sideload your own code, and it doesn't apply to Macs at all.

fsflover 5y ago
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.en.html https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.en.html https://stallman.org/apple.html https://stallman.org/apple.html
- LeoPanthera 5y ago
  No offense, but Stallman has a very black and white view of the world. I saw him give a talk once, and it was peppered with childish insults and calling companies and products he didn't like by "funny" alternative names. It was impossible to take him seriously.
  - mrpopo 5y ago
    Shooting the messenger. The linked page is not up to encyclopedic standards of neutrality, but there are bits worth discussing.
    - blitzar 5y ago
      > Apple devices lock users in solely to Apple services by being designed to be incompatible with all other options, ethical or unethical. Is this litterally the best facts that gnu.org could come up with? Who put together this crap; a 12 year old or a guy who sells mattresses and is gonna launch his big lawsuit any day now.
      - fsflover 5y ago
        But it’s true. Can you use Apple Watch with Android? No. You even cannot use it with an iPad!
        LeoPanthera 5y ago
        This is a bit like complaining that you can't use an Xbox controller with a Playstation.
        fsflover 5y ago
        There is no technical reason why Apple Watch can't work with other devices, except intentional Apple lockdown forcing users to buy iPhones. I see nothing similar with the gaming platforms. Apple Watch can't even be turned on without an iPhone. Have a look at PineTime - an open-source watch that can work with anything you want, or by itself.
        agentdax5 5y ago
        > I see nothing similar with the gaming platforms. How can you say that? I can’t run home brew games on an Xbox due to intentional locking down of the device by Microsoft forcing me to buy games they bless to be on their platform. But some how these companies get a pass but Apple gets constantly blasted for this practice? For the record, you should be able to do these things. But that is somewhat of a naive view of the world.
lordofgibbons 5y ago
>but you can still sideload your own code Unless something has changed very recently, you can't sideload apps to your iOS device without getting a developer account from Apple and owning another apple OSX product from which to do the installation. Not to mention being unable to use non-safari browsers on iOS and the scanning your images for illegal stuff they're planning on rolling out, and the extremely egregious anti right-to-repair lobbying they're doing. Apple is not your friend. The less control we have over their device, the more money they can make from us.
- prophesi 5y ago
  > and the extremely egregious anti right-to-repair lobbying they're doing. They're rolling out a self-repair program soon, though this is certainly due to pressure from shareholders and the like. The other points are completely valid but their sins pale in comparison to Google and Microsoft's.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    > but their sins pale in comparison to Google and Microsoft's I invite you to have a look at my favorite HN submissions about Apple: https://news.ycombinator.com/favorites?id=fsflover https://news.ycombinator.com/favorites?id=fsflover.
- deepdmistry 5y ago
  Unless i am mistaken, You can use non safari browsers on iOS. I use Firefox.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    No, the engine is still Safari. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587606 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587606.
tick_tock_tick 5y ago
> One of these things is not like the others. I really wouldn't put Apple in that group. Apple is an order of magnitude worse at "with the express intent of reducing our overall freedom".
fartcannon 5y ago
Apples closed and heavily taxed ecosystem is the worst of the three.

colordrops 5y ago

What phone OS do you use?

fsflover 5y ago
Mobian.
- colordrops 5y ago
  You're not OP!
  - fsflover 5y ago
    Indeed, but I fully agree with the OP and do what they suggested.
fartcannon 5y ago
Mobian at home, and Lineage without GAPPs at work.

xeromal 5y ago

It's easy as avoiding drinking water. lol