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while I appreciate the offer; there is nothing to dig into here. jetbrains just doesn't bring anything to the table compared to other options. and it lost my tr

by jatone 5y ago

while I appreciate the offer; there is nothing to dig into here. jetbrains just doesn't bring anything to the table compared to other options. and it lost my trust on reliability in a massive way due to android studio and never really performing well at its core function, writing software, compared to things like sublime, vscode, even vim/emacs; once configured. and if I'm going to pay for something like an IDE it needs to be rock solid when the free competition is competent.

wpietri 5y ago
It may not bring anything to the table for you. I would find it helpful if you phrased your criticisms in a way that didn't deny the possibility that others might find plenty of value.
- jatone 5y ago
  perfectly happy how I've phrased my criticisms. if jetbrains wants glowing reviews, then they can make a glowing product. I've been upfront where my issues reside, how they impacted me and they are well known issues with the tool. I'm not the first to make these comments nor will I be the last. however, your tone in this thread implies you're not a neutral player in this. do you have any relation with intellij/jetbrains?
  - wpietri 5y ago
    I pay them money to use their IDE and have for some years. No other relationship. I don't have any problem with you criticizing them. I have a problem with you stating your criticisms in ways that sound like it's more than just your experience. For example, you wrote, "you need to muck around too much to get them working properly". This is not true. I don't need that. You apparently did need to do some mucking around that was too much for you. Or you write, "JB makes tons of assumptions and attempts to be helpful in ways that just are not". Again, that might not be helpful for you. But it's very helpful to me. And clearly to lots and lots of other people given how popular their tooling is even though it costs actual money. I think this sort of universalization and projection is unhelpful and ask that you not do it.

by jatone 5y ago

wpietri 5y ago

It may not bring anything to the table for you. I would find it helpful if you phrased your criticisms in a way that didn't deny the possibility that others might find plenty of value.

jatone 5y ago
perfectly happy how I've phrased my criticisms. if jetbrains wants glowing reviews, then they can make a glowing product. I've been upfront where my issues reside, how they impacted me and they are well known issues with the tool. I'm not the first to make these comments nor will I be the last. however, your tone in this thread implies you're not a neutral player in this. do you have any relation with intellij/jetbrains?
- wpietri 5y ago
  I pay them money to use their IDE and have for some years. No other relationship. I don't have any problem with you criticizing them. I have a problem with you stating your criticisms in ways that sound like it's more than just your experience. For example, you wrote, "you need to muck around too much to get them working properly". This is not true. I don't need that. You apparently did need to do some mucking around that was too much for you. Or you write, "JB makes tons of assumptions and attempts to be helpful in ways that just are not". Again, that might not be helpful for you. But it's very helpful to me. And clearly to lots and lots of other people given how popular their tooling is even though it costs actual money. I think this sort of universalization and projection is unhelpful and ask that you not do it.