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So you obviously don’t build apps for iOS Safari and I can understand as a user why you might be under the misguided impression that it’s a good browser. As our

So you obviously don’t build apps for iOS Safari and I can understand as a user why you might be under the misguided impression that it’s a good browser. As our primary target environment it is an uphill battle to get things to work in a way that it’s not on either Firefox or blink based browsers. It breaks in every major version that’s been released. Simply talk to any developer who has to do a significant amount of work building apps in Safari and they will tell you the same thing. The webkit team is talented and do great work but this is simply a result of a decade of underfunding and it’s just not possible for them to maintain a modern browser with their current resources.

defaultname 5y ago
Ignoring that I've been a professional software developer for 26 years, a large part of that building large scale web applications (every one for the past decade+ targeting Safari as well, and before that I always ensured my teams supported alternative browsers even when various team members were moaning and whining about how much a nuisance it is), let me just focus on this- "misguided impression that it’s a good browser"..."Simply talk to any developer" Your experience as a developer, and you dealing with utterly trivial regressions or handicaps, has shockingly little bearing on whether it is a "good browser" or not.
robertoandred 5y ago
Let me know when Firefox finally supports backdrop-filter. And it already took Chrome forever.
dmitriid 5y ago
> imply talk to any developer who has to do a significant amount of work building apps in Safari Don't build "apps" in the browser. Period. It's shitty, underperforming, and breaks all user expectations, regardless of the browser it's running on. I've yet to see a single app, PWA or not, that wasn't so. Unless it's just a re-skin of a simple website with text and images, and a few forms, but then it's just a website, and if you can't make it run on Safari, go find a different job.
- mtomweb 5y ago
  This is the we can't have competition, because otherwise poorer quality products will win argument?
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    I can't parse this statement

defaultname 5y ago

Ignoring that I've been a professional software developer for 26 years, a large part of that building large scale web applications (every one for the past decade+ targeting Safari as well, and before that I always ensured my teams supported alternative browsers even when various team members were moaning and whining about how much a nuisance it is), let me just focus on this- "misguided impression that it’s a good browser"..."Simply talk to any developer" Your experience as a developer, and you dealing with utterly trivial regressions or handicaps, has shockingly little bearing on whether it is a "good browser" or not.

robertoandred 5y ago

Let me know when Firefox finally supports backdrop-filter. And it already took Chrome forever.

dmitriid 5y ago

> imply talk to any developer who has to do a significant amount of work building apps in Safari Don't build "apps" in the browser. Period. It's shitty, underperforming, and breaks all user expectations, regardless of the browser it's running on. I've yet to see a single app, PWA or not, that wasn't so. Unless it's just a re-skin of a simple website with text and images, and a few forms, but then it's just a website, and if you can't make it run on Safari, go find a different job.

mtomweb 5y ago
This is the we can't have competition, because otherwise poorer quality products will win argument?
- dmitriid 5y ago
  I can't parse this statement