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So - you can eat whatever you like, treat your body how you like, but that doesn't matter? Its all about the germs. Why do people believe it is good to say or

So - you can eat whatever you like, treat your body how you like, but that doesn't matter? Its all about the germs. Why do people believe it is good to say organic food or pure water? If tap water and cheap food is safe, those decisions are nonsense and financially costly. Your view in the opposite then, is that people should eat cheap food/water as it makes better sense. Disease is mainly due to the germs, and not really to do with the decisions you make re foods and lifestyle.

ceejayoz 5y ago
> Why do people believe it is good to say organic food or pure water? A substantial portion of that answer is "ignorance plus marketing". People believe in ghosts for similar reasons. > If tap water and cheap food is safe, those decisions are nonsense and financially costly. Yes, they are.
- verisimi 5y ago
  "ignorance plus marketing" I do see what you say - I would say that this is the generally accepted common sense view. Still, I am skeptic. This means I don't trust what I am told - I only accept as knowledge that which I verify myself. So here, with food, I get an opportunity to verify what I eat etc - it is anecdotal - but anecdotal is king for me. So, in my anecdotal experience, terrain is at least plausible. On the other hand, asking me to believe in viruses (that I cannot see) is a bigger ask. I do believe in fungi and bacteria - I can see something of these, but I have never seen a virus. I am being genuine and honest with you - I really am an (extreme) skeptic. Why should I change my mind and start believing in something I cannot see. I know people lie (often unintentionally) and I know that corporations seek to make profit from people's ignorance - the pharmaceutical industry is no exception. They are all about making money - like every other corporation. The problem I have is that people are expected to believe corporate information that cannot be verified, over their own personal experience that can be verified. Do you see my problem? That as far as I can tell, it is pharmaceuticals that would seek to exploit people's ignorance with marketing? No doubt organic food producers are doing the same, but their marketing budget will be tiny in comparison to the heft of big pharma.
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  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > On the other hand, asking me to believe in viruses (that I cannot see) is a bigger ask. I do believe in fungi and bacteria - I can see something of these, but I have never seen a virus. But you’re worried about stuff in tap water you can’t see? We can’t see lead or arsenic in polluted water, but it’s there.
    - verisimi 5y ago
      I can taste bleach etc, and I know it is not as tasty as natural water from a spring. But can you answer my question. Do you see my problem? It's a fair position is it not? That I trust my experience over corporations or government agencies assurances.
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        There are all sorts of invisible things you can't taste that will still kill you. "Things I can't see don't exist" is not a "fair position", no.
        verisimi 5y ago
        I didn't say they don't exist. To be clear, I haven't been able to verify the existence of viruses. I'm not so trusting that I accept the statements of corporations or governments (which are 2 sides of the same coin IMO). But I'm fine with people having different opinions. All the best.
ch4s3 5y ago
> So - you can eat whatever you like, treat your body how you like, but that doesn't matter? No, not at all. You can give yourself diabetes, become obese, or increase your risk of cancer. You need certain nutrients, and too much sugar is pretty bad for you. That isn't the same thing as getting the flu, which is a demonstrable infectious disease. > Why do people believe it is good to say organic food or pure water? Organic food is nonsense. Tap water in the developed world is safer than bottled water. > Your view in the opposite then, is that people should eat cheap food/water as it makes better sense. Disease is mainly due to the germs, and not really to do with the decisions you make re foods and lifestyle. Not at all. I'm stating that things like terrain theory are bullshit. Of course eating like shit will make you sick, but not because of "toxins".

ceejayoz 5y ago

> Why do people believe it is good to say organic food or pure water? A substantial portion of that answer is "ignorance plus marketing". People believe in ghosts for similar reasons. > If tap water and cheap food is safe, those decisions are nonsense and financially costly. Yes, they are.

verisimi 5y ago
"ignorance plus marketing" I do see what you say - I would say that this is the generally accepted common sense view. Still, I am skeptic. This means I don't trust what I am told - I only accept as knowledge that which I verify myself. So here, with food, I get an opportunity to verify what I eat etc - it is anecdotal - but anecdotal is king for me. So, in my anecdotal experience, terrain is at least plausible. On the other hand, asking me to believe in viruses (that I cannot see) is a bigger ask. I do believe in fungi and bacteria - I can see something of these, but I have never seen a virus. I am being genuine and honest with you - I really am an (extreme) skeptic. Why should I change my mind and start believing in something I cannot see. I know people lie (often unintentionally) and I know that corporations seek to make profit from people's ignorance - the pharmaceutical industry is no exception. They are all about making money - like every other corporation. The problem I have is that people are expected to believe corporate information that cannot be verified, over their own personal experience that can be verified. Do you see my problem? That as far as I can tell, it is pharmaceuticals that would seek to exploit people's ignorance with marketing? No doubt organic food producers are doing the same, but their marketing budget will be tiny in comparison to the heft of big pharma.
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- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > On the other hand, asking me to believe in viruses (that I cannot see) is a bigger ask. I do believe in fungi and bacteria - I can see something of these, but I have never seen a virus. But you’re worried about stuff in tap water you can’t see? We can’t see lead or arsenic in polluted water, but it’s there.
  - verisimi 5y ago
    I can taste bleach etc, and I know it is not as tasty as natural water from a spring. But can you answer my question. Do you see my problem? It's a fair position is it not? That I trust my experience over corporations or government agencies assurances.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      There are all sorts of invisible things you can't taste that will still kill you. "Things I can't see don't exist" is not a "fair position", no.
      - verisimi 5y ago
        I didn't say they don't exist. To be clear, I haven't been able to verify the existence of viruses. I'm not so trusting that I accept the statements of corporations or governments (which are 2 sides of the same coin IMO). But I'm fine with people having different opinions. All the best.

ch4s3 5y ago

> So - you can eat whatever you like, treat your body how you like, but that doesn't matter? No, not at all. You can give yourself diabetes, become obese, or increase your risk of cancer. You need certain nutrients, and too much sugar is pretty bad for you. That isn't the same thing as getting the flu, which is a demonstrable infectious disease. > Why do people believe it is good to say organic food or pure water? Organic food is nonsense. Tap water in the developed world is safer than bottled water. > Your view in the opposite then, is that people should eat cheap food/water as it makes better sense. Disease is mainly due to the germs, and not really to do with the decisions you make re foods and lifestyle. Not at all. I'm stating that things like terrain theory are bullshit. Of course eating like shit will make you sick, but not because of "toxins".