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http://www.minecraft.net/about.jsp http://www.minecraft.net/about.jsp > I'm not very happy with the draconian nature of (L)GPL

culturestate 15y ago
That you can point to that quote as the most inflammatory thing Notch has said just reinforces OP's point.
- mcantor 15y ago
  Thanks for helpin' a brotha out!
- streptomycin 15y ago
  I have no idea if it's the most inflammatory thing he's said. I don't know much about him other than he wrote a video game I've never played. I just saw http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2938141 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2938141 reference "openness" and was wondering if Minecraft was actually open source, as I didn't think it was. So I googled for license info, and the first thing I found was a quote that wouldn't be out of place in any typical Linux nerd flamewar. And then I saw the comment about Notch being so respectful and civil and whatnot, and I luled and posted the flame inducing quote. Not surprisingly, flames ensued.
  - ugh 15y ago
    Wait what? How could a reasonable person possibly be offended by what you quoted? There is entirely too little context there and the sentence is worded very politely. (L)GPL certainly is draconian (in the sense of strict) and all he is saying is that he personally is not very happy about that. How anyone could not see this as a reasonable statement boggles the mind. (I’m not saying that you have to agree with it.)
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    - streptomycin 15y ago
      Oh please. Everyone knows the connotation of the word "draconian". And "too little context"? Did you read the context? What do you think of the part that says open source licenses just "boost the egos of the original authors"? If that's not top grade nerd flamebait, then I don't know what is. I'm just pointing out that it's fairly typical flamebait (as further evidenced by the response I got when I posted it here). I'm not offended by it, I'm amused by it.
bugsy 15y ago
He's right that GPL is draconian and limits freedom. But I am not sure your point because you didn't state it. You have a drive by post where you post some cryptic excerpt that seems unrelated to the topic with no commentary. Are you a posting bot, or are you a person with a point? Speak clearly. Explain yourself. If the intent is to be critical of notch, I can't see any fault in his saying he hopes to release source code eventually and that since the GPL is such an anti-freedom license (huh, actually my words not his, but my sincere interpretation and agreement with his 'draconian' term usage), he "might just possibly" release as public domain, which means completely unencumbered and free. That sounds pretty cool. He's not under any obligation to do so though, and I don't see that many other games sold on Steam are somehow better. Or perhaps you meant to indicate that you think his true reason not to release on Steam is not what he said, but he is lying and the secret real reason is that he intends to release public domain, and for some reason Steam would not allow that after signing their draconian and freedom limiting contracts, that are as freedom limiting as the GPL. Maybe. Don't know because your post was incoherent.
- wmobit 15y ago
  Saying the GPL is draconian and limits freedom is like saying the 13th amendment limits freedom since it takes away your right to own slaves.
  - psykotic 15y ago
    That rhetorical stance you take is particularly irksome when someone is talking about giving away their own code. He isn't whining that library X isn't under the GPL/LGPL. He's saying that'd he'd rather just give away his code entirely with no legal strings attached whatsoever.
    - wmobit 15y ago
      Such is impossible under current copyright law
      - psykotic 15y ago
windsurfer 15y ago
Not only is this out of context, but the (L)GPL is very draconian. Not that that's a bad thing, it is by design.

culturestate 15y ago

That you can point to that quote as the most inflammatory thing Notch has said just reinforces OP's point.

mcantor 15y ago
Thanks for helpin' a brotha out!
streptomycin 15y ago
I have no idea if it's the most inflammatory thing he's said. I don't know much about him other than he wrote a video game I've never played. I just saw http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2938141 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2938141 reference "openness" and was wondering if Minecraft was actually open source, as I didn't think it was. So I googled for license info, and the first thing I found was a quote that wouldn't be out of place in any typical Linux nerd flamewar. And then I saw the comment about Notch being so respectful and civil and whatnot, and I luled and posted the flame inducing quote. Not surprisingly, flames ensued.
- ugh 15y ago
  Wait what? How could a reasonable person possibly be offended by what you quoted? There is entirely too little context there and the sentence is worded very politely. (L)GPL certainly is draconian (in the sense of strict) and all he is saying is that he personally is not very happy about that. How anyone could not see this as a reasonable statement boggles the mind. (I’m not saying that you have to agree with it.)
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  - streptomycin 15y ago
    Oh please. Everyone knows the connotation of the word "draconian". And "too little context"? Did you read the context? What do you think of the part that says open source licenses just "boost the egos of the original authors"? If that's not top grade nerd flamebait, then I don't know what is. I'm just pointing out that it's fairly typical flamebait (as further evidenced by the response I got when I posted it here). I'm not offended by it, I'm amused by it.

bugsy 15y ago

He's right that GPL is draconian and limits freedom. But I am not sure your point because you didn't state it. You have a drive by post where you post some cryptic excerpt that seems unrelated to the topic with no commentary. Are you a posting bot, or are you a person with a point? Speak clearly. Explain yourself. If the intent is to be critical of notch, I can't see any fault in his saying he hopes to release source code eventually and that since the GPL is such an anti-freedom license (huh, actually my words not his, but my sincere interpretation and agreement with his 'draconian' term usage), he "might just possibly" release as public domain, which means completely unencumbered and free. That sounds pretty cool. He's not under any obligation to do so though, and I don't see that many other games sold on Steam are somehow better. Or perhaps you meant to indicate that you think his true reason not to release on Steam is not what he said, but he is lying and the secret real reason is that he intends to release public domain, and for some reason Steam would not allow that after signing their draconian and freedom limiting contracts, that are as freedom limiting as the GPL. Maybe. Don't know because your post was incoherent.

wmobit 15y ago
Saying the GPL is draconian and limits freedom is like saying the 13th amendment limits freedom since it takes away your right to own slaves.
- psykotic 15y ago
  That rhetorical stance you take is particularly irksome when someone is talking about giving away their own code. He isn't whining that library X isn't under the GPL/LGPL. He's saying that'd he'd rather just give away his code entirely with no legal strings attached whatsoever.
  - wmobit 15y ago
    Such is impossible under current copyright law
    - psykotic 15y ago

windsurfer 15y ago

Not only is this out of context, but the (L)GPL is very draconian. Not that that's a bad thing, it is by design.