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Thanks for that point of view. I watched a few single Linux on Android devices videos, but there’s never many of them, almost one or two only per device but I s

Thanks for that point of view. I watched a few single Linux on Android devices videos, but there’s never many of them, almost one or two only per device but I see countless pine videos saying the same things I read about or giving no new information besides the usual boring “this still does not work unless you want a buggy tablet shaped like a phone”. I don’t think it’s a conspiracy as much as an irrational trend. I learned here why the Cosmo and Gemini aren’t good, but it’s not the only device that came with Linux that was ignored, there was a Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition with kernel code available but no interest. https://github.com/meizuosc/m75 https://github.com/meizuosc/m75 To me it looks like it’s just marketing that those 2 are popular.

coffeecat 5y ago
> To me it looks like it’s just marketing that those 2 are popular. And that's the killer feature! Librem/Pine have managed to build a community around their hardware. In theory, I could buy a Meizu phone and pick up its PostMarket OS port at the point where the last guy who tried it gave up. But trying to do it without a community would be no fun at all, and finding answers once you run into a roadblock will be an uphill battle. For instance, one of Meizu's kernel repositories has an unanswered issue from a few years ago, asking if they can release more up-to-date kernel code. You're just focusing on the hardware's specs, but the community is what gives Librem/Pine's hardware its value.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  Both are old hardware that are phone shape devices that can’t be used as a phone. This would be exciting with cool hardware, but librem is more than an iPhone with no functionality, and the pine’s hardware as an SBC wasn’t even fully functional and still isn’t, I don’t expect either to succeed over a OPO 6T with postmarketOS.
  - coffeecat 5y ago
    What exactly do you mean by "phone-shaped devices"? People can and do use the Librem and the original PinePhone as a primary phone. Calling, SMS, mobile data, and even MMS work at this point (however, MMS support is very recent). The original PinePhone's hardware is slow, but users of the lightweight SXMO UI report getting good responsiveness. The maker of Librem has software developers on their payroll, and their price reflects that - unlike with cheaper Android devices, you're subsidizing the development of userspace software when you buy a Librem. And you're subsidizing kernel-level development that's done "the right way" (mainlining), as opposed to the cheapest-viable-kernel-with-no-updates approach that most Android devices take. At $450, the PinePhone Pro with Pine64's keyboard attachment has roughly comparable hardware specs to the Gemini that you link to in the original post. The Gemini sells for $680. The state of hardware support in regard to the OnePlus is exciting - nothing wrong with going that route if you want more bang for your buck on hardware specs. Personally, I've opted for the PinePhone Pro because I don't need state-of-the-art hardware, and I value the community and the option of using FOSS firmware on its cell modem.
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      They’re not usually being used as daily phones with an SBC being shaped into a phone. The Gemini is never that price, it’s always on “sale”. Do you use them PPP daily? All new android phones are mainlined, it’s been years, even before either phone existed. Let’s look at the subreddits for real user experience, who is using it daily? Where are the good experiences? Everyone is selling their L5 or getting a refund, and saying stuff like this; > You will not get a full day of charge out of one battery, but you can take spare batteries to swap out. I'm not sure if there's a direct way of running Signal, but it looks like you can bridge it to Matrix using mautrix-signal. I have a similar setup to use WhatsApp (with the Android app running in a VM on a VPS). >Everything else you listed works, but it may be a bit rough around the edges. I've been daily-driving my PinePhone (running Mobian) since May, so it's certainly possible, but don't expect the experience to be anywhere close to a modern Android or iPhone. > Don't. This is beta level hardware with an alpha level OS and Software. If you're looking for functionality, you're in the wrong place. Check back in a couple years. So you can daily drive a battery killing device if you want a bad experience if you want to use apps you rely on VMs, Anbox which doesn’t work, swapping batteries, and yes it technically works if you don’t value modern benefits like a good keyboard, browser, it’s not a standalone functional device like a Linux desktop. https://old.reddit.com/r/Librem5 https://old.reddit.com/r/Librem5 https://reddit.com/r/PinePhoneOfficial/comments/qknefi/thinking_of_getting_a_pinephone_for_daily_driver/ https://reddit.com/r/PinePhoneOfficial/comments/qknefi/think...

coffeecat 5y ago

> To me it looks like it’s just marketing that those 2 are popular. And that's the killer feature! Librem/Pine have managed to build a community around their hardware. In theory, I could buy a Meizu phone and pick up its PostMarket OS port at the point where the last guy who tried it gave up. But trying to do it without a community would be no fun at all, and finding answers once you run into a roadblock will be an uphill battle. For instance, one of Meizu's kernel repositories has an unanswered issue from a few years ago, asking if they can release more up-to-date kernel code. You're just focusing on the hardware's specs, but the community is what gives Librem/Pine's hardware its value.

GhettoComputers 5y ago
Both are old hardware that are phone shape devices that can’t be used as a phone. This would be exciting with cool hardware, but librem is more than an iPhone with no functionality, and the pine’s hardware as an SBC wasn’t even fully functional and still isn’t, I don’t expect either to succeed over a OPO 6T with postmarketOS.
- coffeecat 5y ago
  What exactly do you mean by "phone-shaped devices"? People can and do use the Librem and the original PinePhone as a primary phone. Calling, SMS, mobile data, and even MMS work at this point (however, MMS support is very recent). The original PinePhone's hardware is slow, but users of the lightweight SXMO UI report getting good responsiveness. The maker of Librem has software developers on their payroll, and their price reflects that - unlike with cheaper Android devices, you're subsidizing the development of userspace software when you buy a Librem. And you're subsidizing kernel-level development that's done "the right way" (mainlining), as opposed to the cheapest-viable-kernel-with-no-updates approach that most Android devices take. At $450, the PinePhone Pro with Pine64's keyboard attachment has roughly comparable hardware specs to the Gemini that you link to in the original post. The Gemini sells for $680. The state of hardware support in regard to the OnePlus is exciting - nothing wrong with going that route if you want more bang for your buck on hardware specs. Personally, I've opted for the PinePhone Pro because I don't need state-of-the-art hardware, and I value the community and the option of using FOSS firmware on its cell modem.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    They’re not usually being used as daily phones with an SBC being shaped into a phone. The Gemini is never that price, it’s always on “sale”. Do you use them PPP daily? All new android phones are mainlined, it’s been years, even before either phone existed. Let’s look at the subreddits for real user experience, who is using it daily? Where are the good experiences? Everyone is selling their L5 or getting a refund, and saying stuff like this; > You will not get a full day of charge out of one battery, but you can take spare batteries to swap out. I'm not sure if there's a direct way of running Signal, but it looks like you can bridge it to Matrix using mautrix-signal. I have a similar setup to use WhatsApp (with the Android app running in a VM on a VPS). >Everything else you listed works, but it may be a bit rough around the edges. I've been daily-driving my PinePhone (running Mobian) since May, so it's certainly possible, but don't expect the experience to be anywhere close to a modern Android or iPhone. > Don't. This is beta level hardware with an alpha level OS and Software. If you're looking for functionality, you're in the wrong place. Check back in a couple years. So you can daily drive a battery killing device if you want a bad experience if you want to use apps you rely on VMs, Anbox which doesn’t work, swapping batteries, and yes it technically works if you don’t value modern benefits like a good keyboard, browser, it’s not a standalone functional device like a Linux desktop. https://old.reddit.com/r/Librem5 https://old.reddit.com/r/Librem5 https://reddit.com/r/PinePhoneOfficial/comments/qknefi/thinking_of_getting_a_pinephone_for_daily_driver/ https://reddit.com/r/PinePhoneOfficial/comments/qknefi/think...