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Would you critique Musk in a similar way? Honest question, because it's eerie how you could swap Dorsey for Musk and the statements would still apply but seem

Would you critique Musk in a similar way? Honest question, because it's eerie how you could swap Dorsey for Musk and the statements would still apply but seem much less true.

itsoktocry 5y ago
>Would you critique Musk in a similar way? Absolutely. Musk's companies manage to get stuff done, but are any of them particularly "well run"?
- meepmorp 5y ago
  SpaceX, largely due to Gwynne Shotwell.
gonehome 5y ago
Yeah, musk is the perfect counter example. In the brief time he left Tesla in someone else’s hands the other CEO almost killed it. I'm also skeptical of Jack's claim about founder led companies. When you're the exec handing things over you'd have to make some comment like that to show your trust is entirely behind the new person. I don't really buy it though. Also I thought Evan Williams and Biz Stone were the Twitter founders? Maybe I'm forgetting the history.
- madamelic 5y ago
  > Also I thought Evan Williams and Biz Stone were the Twitter founders? He was a founder...ish. From reading his Wikipedia, it seems like it was an x.com / PayPal situation. He joined their company to help them with the idea then when they spun Twitter out, he became CEO. From digging in a bit deeper, the lineage of Twitter seems fascinating. It seems like it was the result of the companies of the co-founders putting together that created something even better than their own parts.
- sporkland 5y ago
  There's a whole book, "Hatching Twitter" about the sordid founding of Twitter and how Dorsey and Noah Glass were the main originators of the concept at oOdeo, then Ev eventually fired them and removed them from the history. Only to have Dorsey come back later and remove him. Seems like a bunch of people had a hand in creating it in various ways.
batman-farts 5y ago
Elon Musk is best understood as a venture capitalist with a particularly concentrated portfolio.
chasd00 5y ago
I'm a big fan of SpaceX but sometimes i wonder why Musk gets such a pass on timelines. I understand things happen and change but when the CEO gives a date for some event then it needs to happen on that date or the CEO should be hat-in-hands sorry describing in detail why the date was missed. I think even the Musk superfans eyeroll whenever he gives a date for some new advancement. For example, didn't Musk say the test orbital launch for Starship was goign to be last July or something?

Would you critique Musk in a similar way? Honest question, because it's eerie how you could swap Dorsey for Musk and the statements would still apply but seem much less true.

itsoktocry 5y ago

>Would you critique Musk in a similar way? Absolutely. Musk's companies manage to get stuff done, but are any of them particularly "well run"?

meepmorp 5y ago
SpaceX, largely due to Gwynne Shotwell.

gonehome 5y ago

Yeah, musk is the perfect counter example. In the brief time he left Tesla in someone else’s hands the other CEO almost killed it. I'm also skeptical of Jack's claim about founder led companies. When you're the exec handing things over you'd have to make some comment like that to show your trust is entirely behind the new person. I don't really buy it though. Also I thought Evan Williams and Biz Stone were the Twitter founders? Maybe I'm forgetting the history.

madamelic 5y ago
> Also I thought Evan Williams and Biz Stone were the Twitter founders? He was a founder...ish. From reading his Wikipedia, it seems like it was an x.com / PayPal situation. He joined their company to help them with the idea then when they spun Twitter out, he became CEO. From digging in a bit deeper, the lineage of Twitter seems fascinating. It seems like it was the result of the companies of the co-founders putting together that created something even better than their own parts.
sporkland 5y ago
There's a whole book, "Hatching Twitter" about the sordid founding of Twitter and how Dorsey and Noah Glass were the main originators of the concept at oOdeo, then Ev eventually fired them and removed them from the history. Only to have Dorsey come back later and remove him. Seems like a bunch of people had a hand in creating it in various ways.

batman-farts 5y ago

Elon Musk is best understood as a venture capitalist with a particularly concentrated portfolio.

chasd00 5y ago

I'm a big fan of SpaceX but sometimes i wonder why Musk gets such a pass on timelines. I understand things happen and change but when the CEO gives a date for some event then it needs to happen on that date or the CEO should be hat-in-hands sorry describing in detail why the date was missed. I think even the Musk superfans eyeroll whenever he gives a date for some new advancement. For example, didn't Musk say the test orbital launch for Starship was goign to be last July or something?