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Then don't use it if you only want to use 100% OSS. I'm making something that I want to use (essentially a compatible implementation for my plug-ins to run und

Then don't use it if you only want to use 100% OSS. I'm making something that I want to use (essentially a compatible implementation for my plug-ins to run under) & if it's of use to others then that's a bonus. At no point has WACUP claimed to be 100% OSS nor should I be expected to do that when I'm the only one working on my Winamp reimplementation. Aspects that need to be done that way are done so accordingly. -dro

0des 5y ago
Yikes, okay. I trust Justin Frankel, I don't know you, previous team or not.. The world can go on using Winamp 2.x forever and be just fine, its GRAS. If you're bringing something that isn't that, previous dev history or not, you're going to have to differentiate yourself from the folks who are also putting out winamp-alikes. I'm not trying to be a jerk, that's just the reality. Knowing what the code I'm running is doing is helpful in swaying me to your direction, even if that's not what you claim to be aiming for. > should I be expected to do that when I'm the only one working on my Winamp reimplementation Let us know when you want to change that. We're talented, and generally nice. Maybe some day you'll want some help.
- smolder 5y ago
  > you're going to have to differentiate yourself from the folks who are also putting out winamp-alikes. No one giving away software has to do anything. Maybe they'd get more donations as OSS or something, but it's no guarantee.
  - romwell 5y ago
    Yes, but nobody has to use their work. I'd assume that people who make general-purpose open-source software with the intent of it being used by someone other than themselves. So read the "have to" as "if you want to have people use and appreciate your work, this is a necessary step".
    - dapids 5y ago
      Which is definitely just that, an assumption. Some people write things just because they want to or can, and don't care whether anyone else finds it useful for their own purposes. It might just be something for a portfolio, to inspire others, etc, or again, just because. Lots of things are created "just because". The decision is left to the end user, use it, or don't.
      - romwell 5y ago
        Same with "you have to" advice. The decision is left to the developer: use it, or don't. Really don't see a problem here :)
- jvolkman 5y ago
  The Windows ecosystem has a long history of closed source freeware. It doesn't seem strange at all to me.
- thedoctor_o 5y ago
  I'm also not trying to be a jerk either but when I'm constantly being told by random people that I have to be OSS when it comes to WACUP that's also not particularly helpful other than introducing more potential work for me to do when there's absolutely no guarantee of a return to that effort. So maybe I'm more terse than I should be about such things but that's also just how I am. It might make more sense for other projects especially those starting out fresh but that's not ever been my mindset with how I've been doing Winamp plug-in related development since 2003 along with the 5yrs I worked on Winamp & if that means people will avoid WACUP then so be it as they're more likely to be sticking with the AOL provided 2.x releases anyway. Also it goes both ways on the trust aspects & maybe when the likes of fb2k, aimp & musicbee go OSS I might eventually reconsider my dinosaur like approach to development but there has to be a tangible benefit for me to do it. I've already asked for help over the 5yrs or so I've been trying to make WACUP but the things that need help with doing are also the things that no one really wants to do (e.g. a new good midi input plug-in). -dro (assuming this reply ever gets posted as I've been trying for over an hour)
  - EMIRELADERO 5y ago
    > Also it goes both ways on the trust aspects & maybe when the likes of fb2k, aimp & musicbee go OSS I might eventually reconsider my dinosaur like approach to development but there has to be a tangible benefit for me to do it. Forgive me for asking, but if the reason for you releasing WACUP to the public at all isn't purely personal benefit (if it was only about that might as well keep it to yourself right?) but to help people and share something that you deem useful and let others benefit from it, why would the source code be any different? Put another way: why is releasing the binaries publicly acceptable even if it doesn't benefit you directly, but doing the same thing for the source itself isn't?
    - VortexDream 5y ago
      Releasing a project as open source is associated with a lot of work and responsibility. People get quite entitled over open source projects and get quite upset when developers don't do what they want. I can see why he's unwilling to undergo all that stress and pressure if he feels it doesn't benefit him.
- justinfrankel 5y ago
  fwiw dro’s been around a long time and i would be inclined to trust them :)
  - 0des 5y ago
    Yes, Exactly, Yes! :) Thanks
caddywompus 5y ago
Oh hey! Appreciate the work you've done, thanks for keeping the project alive!

0des 5y ago

Yikes, okay. I trust Justin Frankel, I don't know you, previous team or not.. The world can go on using Winamp 2.x forever and be just fine, its GRAS. If you're bringing something that isn't that, previous dev history or not, you're going to have to differentiate yourself from the folks who are also putting out winamp-alikes. I'm not trying to be a jerk, that's just the reality. Knowing what the code I'm running is doing is helpful in swaying me to your direction, even if that's not what you claim to be aiming for. > should I be expected to do that when I'm the only one working on my Winamp reimplementation Let us know when you want to change that. We're talented, and generally nice. Maybe some day you'll want some help.

smolder 5y ago
> you're going to have to differentiate yourself from the folks who are also putting out winamp-alikes. No one giving away software has to do anything. Maybe they'd get more donations as OSS or something, but it's no guarantee.
- romwell 5y ago
  Yes, but nobody has to use their work. I'd assume that people who make general-purpose open-source software with the intent of it being used by someone other than themselves. So read the "have to" as "if you want to have people use and appreciate your work, this is a necessary step".
  - dapids 5y ago
    Which is definitely just that, an assumption. Some people write things just because they want to or can, and don't care whether anyone else finds it useful for their own purposes. It might just be something for a portfolio, to inspire others, etc, or again, just because. Lots of things are created "just because". The decision is left to the end user, use it, or don't.
    - romwell 5y ago
      Same with "you have to" advice. The decision is left to the developer: use it, or don't. Really don't see a problem here :)
jvolkman 5y ago
The Windows ecosystem has a long history of closed source freeware. It doesn't seem strange at all to me.
thedoctor_o 5y ago
I'm also not trying to be a jerk either but when I'm constantly being told by random people that I have to be OSS when it comes to WACUP that's also not particularly helpful other than introducing more potential work for me to do when there's absolutely no guarantee of a return to that effort. So maybe I'm more terse than I should be about such things but that's also just how I am. It might make more sense for other projects especially those starting out fresh but that's not ever been my mindset with how I've been doing Winamp plug-in related development since 2003 along with the 5yrs I worked on Winamp & if that means people will avoid WACUP then so be it as they're more likely to be sticking with the AOL provided 2.x releases anyway. Also it goes both ways on the trust aspects & maybe when the likes of fb2k, aimp & musicbee go OSS I might eventually reconsider my dinosaur like approach to development but there has to be a tangible benefit for me to do it. I've already asked for help over the 5yrs or so I've been trying to make WACUP but the things that need help with doing are also the things that no one really wants to do (e.g. a new good midi input plug-in). -dro (assuming this reply ever gets posted as I've been trying for over an hour)
- EMIRELADERO 5y ago
  > Also it goes both ways on the trust aspects & maybe when the likes of fb2k, aimp & musicbee go OSS I might eventually reconsider my dinosaur like approach to development but there has to be a tangible benefit for me to do it. Forgive me for asking, but if the reason for you releasing WACUP to the public at all isn't purely personal benefit (if it was only about that might as well keep it to yourself right?) but to help people and share something that you deem useful and let others benefit from it, why would the source code be any different? Put another way: why is releasing the binaries publicly acceptable even if it doesn't benefit you directly, but doing the same thing for the source itself isn't?
  - VortexDream 5y ago
    Releasing a project as open source is associated with a lot of work and responsibility. People get quite entitled over open source projects and get quite upset when developers don't do what they want. I can see why he's unwilling to undergo all that stress and pressure if he feels it doesn't benefit him.
justinfrankel 5y ago
fwiw dro’s been around a long time and i would be inclined to trust them :)
- 0des 5y ago
  Yes, Exactly, Yes! :) Thanks

caddywompus 5y ago

Oh hey! Appreciate the work you've done, thanks for keeping the project alive!