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Parts of this are comedy. > For me Firefox is the only alternative to a complete Chrome hegemony in the sense that: > it’s open-source in the real sense (a pr

Parts of this are comedy. > For me Firefox is the only alternative to a complete Chrome hegemony in the sense that: > it’s open-source in the real sense (a project that’s truly community-driven) I missed when the community wanted to do away with tab groups, compact mode, or keyword searches synced via bookmarks. The project is handled by a corporation with a multimillion dollar advertising deal with one of the EvilCorps. Uhh, yeah. > it has a great track record of fighting for its users and for a better Internet. Last I checked, it's owned by a foundation that's very okay with advocating that others tell me what I should see on the 'net. "We need more than deplatforming" are not words I ever want to hear from a privacy organization's mouth. That and "fighting for its users" don't exactly go together, unless you believe the Foundation's purpose is to be its users' moral custodian in matters that are not tech-related. The whole sales pitch of this thing is "you should use a browser that increasingly sucks, that's increasingly lacking in support, whose stewards get their money from EvilCorp and cheerfully advocate for Internet censorship, all because they use a different browser engine". When my option would be to use browsers that do not suck and actually improve release by release, have revenue streams not so beholden to EvilCorp and put their makers' personal politics aside for user control and privacy. Choices, choices.

mschuster91 5y ago
> "We need more than deplatforming" are not words I ever want to hear from a privacy organization's mouth. Any entity participating in a democratic society should be allowed to voice their support for keeping said society healthy. Antivaxxers and "the vote was stolen!!!" putsch supporters are a direct threat towards society itself. There are things in a society where standing "impartially" aside is taking a stand in itself - a stand on the side of those who want to destroy society.
- malermeister 5y ago
  > Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them ~ Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies, 1945
- starik36 5y ago
  > putsch supporters are a direct threat towards society What is your feeling towards the summer 2021 rioters? Are they a threat towards society?
  - malermeister 5y ago
    Did they attack the seat of government with the explicit goal of abducting, raping and killing elected officials, to interfere with a democratic process and establish autocratic rule? No? There's your answer then.
    - starik36 5y ago
      At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-kill...
      - malermeister 5y ago
        Yes, a few of the protestors were killed by the state. It's sad, but I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is.
        starik36 5y ago
        No. Not by the state. As a result of the riots. These people wouldn't have been dead had it not been for the riots. Read the article and don't skip things that don't agree with you.
    - starik36 5y ago
      Huh. https://abcnews.go.com/US/sen-rand-paul-attacked-angry-mob-leaving-white/story?id=72673137 https://abcnews.go.com/US/sen-rand-paul-attacked-angry-mob-l...
      - malermeister 5y ago
sfink 5y ago
> Last I checked, it's owned by a foundation that's very okay with advocating that others tell me what I should see on the 'net. "We need more than deplatforming" are not words I ever want to hear from a privacy organization's mouth. Ugh, I dislike the title of that post. I still claim that you're misinterpreting it, though. It should have been something like "We need better answers than deplatforming." Deplatforming is not the answer, and we need better ones. Sometimes deplatforming is the right answer. Not when it's about a political agenda, but there are many many actually harmful uses out there, many of them illegal, and ignoring those on your platform is the same as facilitating them. But deplatforming is about as effective as sticking your finger in a dike for truly improving things. In my opinion, Mozilla has done a decent job of being apolitical when possible. Yes, it does think you shouldn't see some things on the 'net, but those things are things like scams and malicious disinformation. It does not say that you should not see the latest blatherings of Trump or whoever, except perhaps when they're directly encouraging violence or sedition.
- soundnote 5y ago
  > In my opinion, Mozilla has done a decent job of being apolitical when possible. Yes, it does think you shouldn't see some things on the 'net, but those things are things like scams and malicious disinformation. It does not say that you should not see the latest blatherings of Trump or whoever, except perhaps when they're directly encouraging violence or sedition. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat... > Turn on by default the tools to [amplify factual voices](link points to below) over disinformation. Their idea of "factual voices"? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/technology/facebook-reverses-postelection-algorithm-changes-that-boosted-news-from-authoritative-sources.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/technology/facebook-rever... > The change resulted in an increase in Facebook traffic for mainstream news publishers including CNN, NPR and The New York Times, while partisan sites like Breitbart and Occupy Democrats saw their numbers fall. The entire post reeked of political tribalism in a way I don't like from people who make my tools. While seeing less Breitbart and Occupy Democrats might be welcome, Mozilla were completely fine with third parties boosting the visibility of openly partisan organizations who'll happily lie to my face. No, no thanks.
kuschku 5y ago
> I missed when the community wanted to do away with tab groups, compact mode, or keyword searches synced via bookmarks. The project is handled by a corporation with a multimillion dollar advertising deal with one of the EvilCorps. Uhh, yeah. Hm? When were keyword searches or compact mode removed? I’m still using them in 94.0
- soundnote 5y ago
  They're removed from mobile and as far as I know slated for removal on desktop.
- muxator 5y ago
  That's true. They have been gone from Firefox for Android for some time now. Keyword removal totally dumbed down my browsing experience on mobile. I fear the moment the same will happen on the Desktop version.

mschuster91 5y ago

> "We need more than deplatforming" are not words I ever want to hear from a privacy organization's mouth. Any entity participating in a democratic society should be allowed to voice their support for keeping said society healthy. Antivaxxers and "the vote was stolen!!!" putsch supporters are a direct threat towards society itself. There are things in a society where standing "impartially" aside is taking a stand in itself - a stand on the side of those who want to destroy society.

malermeister 5y ago
> Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them ~ Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies, 1945
starik36 5y ago
> putsch supporters are a direct threat towards society What is your feeling towards the summer 2021 rioters? Are they a threat towards society?
- malermeister 5y ago
  Did they attack the seat of government with the explicit goal of abducting, raping and killing elected officials, to interfere with a democratic process and establish autocratic rule? No? There's your answer then.
  - starik36 5y ago
    At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-kill...
    - malermeister 5y ago
      Yes, a few of the protestors were killed by the state. It's sad, but I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is.
      - starik36 5y ago
        No. Not by the state. As a result of the riots. These people wouldn't have been dead had it not been for the riots. Read the article and don't skip things that don't agree with you.
  - starik36 5y ago
    Huh. https://abcnews.go.com/US/sen-rand-paul-attacked-angry-mob-leaving-white/story?id=72673137 https://abcnews.go.com/US/sen-rand-paul-attacked-angry-mob-l...
    - malermeister 5y ago

sfink 5y ago

> Last I checked, it's owned by a foundation that's very okay with advocating that others tell me what I should see on the 'net. "We need more than deplatforming" are not words I ever want to hear from a privacy organization's mouth. Ugh, I dislike the title of that post. I still claim that you're misinterpreting it, though. It should have been something like "We need better answers than deplatforming." Deplatforming is not the answer, and we need better ones. Sometimes deplatforming is the right answer. Not when it's about a political agenda, but there are many many actually harmful uses out there, many of them illegal, and ignoring those on your platform is the same as facilitating them. But deplatforming is about as effective as sticking your finger in a dike for truly improving things. In my opinion, Mozilla has done a decent job of being apolitical when possible. Yes, it does think you shouldn't see some things on the 'net, but those things are things like scams and malicious disinformation. It does not say that you should not see the latest blatherings of Trump or whoever, except perhaps when they're directly encouraging violence or sedition.

soundnote 5y ago
> In my opinion, Mozilla has done a decent job of being apolitical when possible. Yes, it does think you shouldn't see some things on the 'net, but those things are things like scams and malicious disinformation. It does not say that you should not see the latest blatherings of Trump or whoever, except perhaps when they're directly encouraging violence or sedition. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat... > Turn on by default the tools to [amplify factual voices](link points to below) over disinformation. Their idea of "factual voices"? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/technology/facebook-reverses-postelection-algorithm-changes-that-boosted-news-from-authoritative-sources.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/technology/facebook-rever... > The change resulted in an increase in Facebook traffic for mainstream news publishers including CNN, NPR and The New York Times, while partisan sites like Breitbart and Occupy Democrats saw their numbers fall. The entire post reeked of political tribalism in a way I don't like from people who make my tools. While seeing less Breitbart and Occupy Democrats might be welcome, Mozilla were completely fine with third parties boosting the visibility of openly partisan organizations who'll happily lie to my face. No, no thanks.

kuschku 5y ago

> I missed when the community wanted to do away with tab groups, compact mode, or keyword searches synced via bookmarks. The project is handled by a corporation with a multimillion dollar advertising deal with one of the EvilCorps. Uhh, yeah. Hm? When were keyword searches or compact mode removed? I’m still using them in 94.0

soundnote 5y ago
They're removed from mobile and as far as I know slated for removal on desktop.
muxator 5y ago
That's true. They have been gone from Firefox for Android for some time now. Keyword removal totally dumbed down my browsing experience on mobile. I fear the moment the same will happen on the Desktop version.