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The question frames a false alternative in 'rigid dogma'. In a generous interpretation, I'd say that this line of reasoning quickly devolves into a chicken and

The question frames a false alternative in 'rigid dogma'. In a generous interpretation, I'd say that this line of reasoning quickly devolves into a chicken and egg scenario. 1) I changed my mind about the facts. 2) I declare that the facts have changed. 3) You must also change your mind or else I'll accuse you of adhering to dogma. 4) My view is now more popular. It is the prevailing dogma. You're against the consensus if you disagree with my "facts". The word "Facts" does heavy lifting here. Ultimately, facts can't make any assertions, only humans can. At the core of Scientism, there's always a presumptuous attempt to lay claim to objective truth. Science becomes a dogma and belief rather than a method of investigation.

bumby 5y ago
>My view is now more popular. It is the prevailing dogma. I think you are misinterpreting the word “dogma”. It does not mean “consensus understanding” but rather “incontrovertibly true”. The former can change, the latter cannot; wordsmithing a false equivalence doesn’t turn real science into dogma.
- aww_dang 5y ago
  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogma https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogma 1 usually disapproving : a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted These new findings challenge the current dogma in the field. political dogma 2: a belief or set of beliefs that is taught by a religious organization 1a: something held as an established opinion especially : a definite authoritative tenet b: a code of such tenets pedagogical dogma c: a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds 2: a doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated and authoritatively proclaimed by a church
  - bumby 5y ago
    >without being questioned or doubted This is not congruent of science. >doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith Again, “faith” is antithetical to science. Faith requires no evidence, science does. The Oxford English Dictionary defines dogma as: “a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.” I.e., dogma cannot be disputed. Science is meant to be disputed. It seems you are confusing political opinion for science.
    - aww_dang 5y ago
      >Again, “faith” is antithetical to science. This is the point of using this word in this specific context. Scientism isn't science. Hope this helps.

bumby 5y ago

>My view is now more popular. It is the prevailing dogma. I think you are misinterpreting the word “dogma”. It does not mean “consensus understanding” but rather “incontrovertibly true”. The former can change, the latter cannot; wordsmithing a false equivalence doesn’t turn real science into dogma.

aww_dang 5y ago
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogma https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogma 1 usually disapproving : a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted These new findings challenge the current dogma in the field. political dogma 2: a belief or set of beliefs that is taught by a religious organization 1a: something held as an established opinion especially : a definite authoritative tenet b: a code of such tenets pedagogical dogma c: a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds 2: a doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated and authoritatively proclaimed by a church
- bumby 5y ago
  >without being questioned or doubted This is not congruent of science. >doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith Again, “faith” is antithetical to science. Faith requires no evidence, science does. The Oxford English Dictionary defines dogma as: “a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.” I.e., dogma cannot be disputed. Science is meant to be disputed. It seems you are confusing political opinion for science.
  - aww_dang 5y ago
    >Again, “faith” is antithetical to science. This is the point of using this word in this specific context. Scientism isn't science. Hope this helps.