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it's not "just like Chrome". It's not great, but it's not in the same ballpark as what Google does.

sneak 5y ago
Silently uploading your browsing activity off the device without your consent is absolutely in the same ballpark as what Google does.
- xvector 5y ago
  This is interesting, source?
  - jeltz 5y ago
    He is most likely talking about the Cliqz scandal which in my opinion was really unethical. but it pales in comparison to what Google does every day.
- smolder 5y ago
  At what point does firefox silently upload history?
  - jeltz 5y ago
    They did so in secret for their German users until they were caught red handed and had to stop doing so due to the public backlash. They lost millions of users in Germany due to that. That said Google and Microft both keep collecting your data despite backlash while Mozilla stopped once caught.
- gausswho 5y ago
  I'm unfamiliar with what you're speaking of. Can you elaborate?
  - jeltz 5y ago
    He is talking about when Mozilla made Firefox send the browsing history of randomly selected German users to a company they had invested in, Cliqz. That is the by far biggest ethical violation of Mozilla and which, justifiably, still haunts them. That said both Chrome and Edge are worse.
    - ohgodplsno 5y ago
      Because this is overly broad and paints Mozilla in an unfairly bad light compared to how inconsequential this event was, here are the actual facts: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/74yo19/cliqz_and_mozilla_as_i_understand_it_and_metadrama/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/74yo19/cliqz_and_m... 1% of german users had anonymised data sent over.
      - jeltz 5y ago
        Browsing history is something which is very easy to deanionymize so I do not buy that defence. What they did was inexcusable, but again both Microsoft and Google are more evil. I run Firefox, but only as the lesser evil. Edit: 1% is 1% too many if you have a company which claims to care about the privacy of their users. Especially since browsing history is very sensitive and easy to deanonymize.
    - sneak 5y ago
      Nope, I'm talking about the telemetry that still exists in current Firefox that you can download worldwide today.
      - sfink 5y ago
        Telemetry doesn't contain browsing activity.
        sneak 5y ago
        It doesn't contain browsing URL history. It absolutely contains browsing activity.

Silently uploading your browsing activity off the device without your consent is absolutely in the same ballpark as what Google does.

xvector 5y ago
This is interesting, source?
- jeltz 5y ago
  He is most likely talking about the Cliqz scandal which in my opinion was really unethical. but it pales in comparison to what Google does every day.
smolder 5y ago
At what point does firefox silently upload history?
- jeltz 5y ago
  They did so in secret for their German users until they were caught red handed and had to stop doing so due to the public backlash. They lost millions of users in Germany due to that. That said Google and Microft both keep collecting your data despite backlash while Mozilla stopped once caught.
gausswho 5y ago
I'm unfamiliar with what you're speaking of. Can you elaborate?
- jeltz 5y ago
  He is talking about when Mozilla made Firefox send the browsing history of randomly selected German users to a company they had invested in, Cliqz. That is the by far biggest ethical violation of Mozilla and which, justifiably, still haunts them. That said both Chrome and Edge are worse.
  - ohgodplsno 5y ago
    Because this is overly broad and paints Mozilla in an unfairly bad light compared to how inconsequential this event was, here are the actual facts: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/74yo19/cliqz_and_mozilla_as_i_understand_it_and_metadrama/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/74yo19/cliqz_and_m... 1% of german users had anonymised data sent over.
    - jeltz 5y ago
      Browsing history is something which is very easy to deanionymize so I do not buy that defence. What they did was inexcusable, but again both Microsoft and Google are more evil. I run Firefox, but only as the lesser evil. Edit: 1% is 1% too many if you have a company which claims to care about the privacy of their users. Especially since browsing history is very sensitive and easy to deanonymize.
  - sneak 5y ago
    Nope, I'm talking about the telemetry that still exists in current Firefox that you can download worldwide today.
    - sfink 5y ago
      Telemetry doesn't contain browsing activity.
      - sneak 5y ago
        It doesn't contain browsing URL history. It absolutely contains browsing activity.