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I am sorry but no. I have already lost 2 years of my life just following and obeying the orders. Enough is enough. This is not on me to solve. The government h

I am sorry but no. I have already lost 2 years of my life just following and obeying the orders. Enough is enough. This is not on me to solve. The government had enough time to convince everyone to vaccinate or prepare the healthcare sector for influx of cases of unvaccinated.

kingkawn 5y ago
You’ll learn the hard way then not to address nature at your convenience
Mistletoe 5y ago
It’s wild how few campaigns I am seeing for vaccination. I want 1950s era propaganda posters on every street corner and at every tv and radio break until we get these numbers to 100%.
- Bud 5y ago
  We had plenty of posters and advertising on this. Vaccination rates were great in early 2021, before an entire major political party decided to cynically pretend that fighting vaccination was somehow defending "freedom".
Dumblydorr 5y ago
How was the government supposed to convince anti-vaxxers to do what they believe contains micro chips or what they believe is worse than the virus itself? This isn't on the government, this is on anti-vaxxers for swallowing garbage information, hook line and sinker. And you didn't lose 2 years of your life. You're alive, you didn't die due to the pandemic, did you? That's much less than can be said for 5 million others, mostly older or unhealthy to begin with. They're dead because people didn't follow the guidelines early and it kept spreading and spreading. So, be grateful you're not dead, and do your part to increase collective resilience.
- mathverse 5y ago
  >How was the government supposed to convince anti-vaxxers to do what they believe contains micro chips or what they believe is worse than the virus itself? This isn't on the government, this is on anti-vaxxers for swallowing garbage information, hook line and sinker. This is solely on the government. It's immoral to keep vaccinated people in uncertainty and include them in any sort of lockdowns. >And you didn't lose 2 years of your life. You're alive, you didn't die due to the pandemic, did you? That's much less than can be said for 5 million others, mostly older or unhealthy to begin with. They're dead because people didn't follow the guidelines early and it kept spreading and spreading. This is not arguing in good faith. Healthy people in their 30s are not dying. Of all the 0.5m children infected in Israel only 200 were severe cases. >So, be grateful you're not dead, and do your part to increase collective resilience. I already did my part. Now my part will be attending a demo with all those "antivaxx / 5G chips believing people" and I will fight for my right to live a normal life.
  - chimprich 5y ago
    Threats don't disappear just because you feel the solution is inconvenient to you.
    - lobocinza 5y ago
      Covid is not the only threat. And what is being labeled as convenience sometimes is just physical/mental health. How I'm supposed to exercise, be healthy and productive by staying indoors all the time? Also, am I supposed to substitute IRL social activities with video calls and social media? Don't get me wrong, I know there's some sort of middle ground but I wanted to provide food for thought.
- blain 5y ago
  For starters I would want my government to change the narrative. They should do their own independent research and present their own facts. Instead they blindly buy vaccines from US and repeat the agenda as everyone else. There is way too much politics involved. Pandemic should make people naturally empathic not forced by their governments to blindly obey.
RobertoG 5y ago
There is not realistic healthcare infrastructure that could compensate for exponential grow of patients.
Bud 5y ago
"You lost"? You? This isn't about you. And those 2 years are sunk costs for all of us. You're engaging in magical thinking, here. We can't afford it. It's self-centered. And it does nobody any good, most especially not you. Might get you killed, though. As an aside, no, the healthcare "sector" is not at all prepared, it has never been prepared, and it can't magically be made prepared, either. The only solution there is to avoid overloading the system. There aren't any other solutions. So rational people will continue to argue for all of the mitigation measures that we know are effective. Whether you like it or not. It's just as much "on you" to participate in that as it is "on" all of the rest of us.
junon 5y ago
"I'm inconvenienced and no longer care if others die because of it!"
- mathverse 5y ago
  "I am not arguing in good faith nor do I have an ounce of empathy for someone that have not seen family and loved ones for more than 2 years".
  - junon 5y ago
    I'll be sure to tell that to my neighbor who lost both of her parents and a sister to COVID before the vaccines were available. I'm sure she'll understand. If omicron is actually a breakthrough variant, I'm sure all the people who are about to die will also understand how hurt your feelings are. I'm merely pointing out the selfishness in your stance and how harmful it is to the overall efforts of the medical community. That's not bad faith. We've all had an absolutely shit time. You're not special.
    - mathverse 5y ago
      Medical community should not be the only one making decisions that have such a massive impact on society. >I'm merely pointing out the selfishness in your stance and how harmful it is to the overall efforts of the medical community. That's not bad faith. We've all had an absolutely shit time. You're not special. Why is your right keeping families separated not selfish?
      - junon 5y ago
        > Medical community should not be the only one making decisions that have such a massive impact on society. Perhaps not when it's economic, technological, wartime, etc. Sure. But when it comes to the healthcare of everyone (not just the individual), they absolutely should. The problem is that politicians seem to think they know more about healthcare than the experts do. > Why is your right keeping families separated not selfish? My family has been separated, too. By almost half the planet. Your victim appeal doesn't work here.
gruturo 5y ago
I hate to break it to you, but a virus doesn't really care if you're sick and tired of the situation. It sucks, yeah. No, it's not OK to stop caring only because it's been so long. The socially responsible behavior is still the best course for an individual, even if surrounded by morons.
_moof 5y ago
Over 800,000 people in Europe have lost a lot more than two years. I understand that it's been a long time and you're frustrated, but this simply isn't over yet, and the consequences are real.

kingkawn 5y ago

You’ll learn the hard way then not to address nature at your convenience

Mistletoe 5y ago

It’s wild how few campaigns I am seeing for vaccination. I want 1950s era propaganda posters on every street corner and at every tv and radio break until we get these numbers to 100%.

Bud 5y ago
We had plenty of posters and advertising on this. Vaccination rates were great in early 2021, before an entire major political party decided to cynically pretend that fighting vaccination was somehow defending "freedom".

Dumblydorr 5y ago

How was the government supposed to convince anti-vaxxers to do what they believe contains micro chips or what they believe is worse than the virus itself? This isn't on the government, this is on anti-vaxxers for swallowing garbage information, hook line and sinker. And you didn't lose 2 years of your life. You're alive, you didn't die due to the pandemic, did you? That's much less than can be said for 5 million others, mostly older or unhealthy to begin with. They're dead because people didn't follow the guidelines early and it kept spreading and spreading. So, be grateful you're not dead, and do your part to increase collective resilience.

mathverse 5y ago
>How was the government supposed to convince anti-vaxxers to do what they believe contains micro chips or what they believe is worse than the virus itself? This isn't on the government, this is on anti-vaxxers for swallowing garbage information, hook line and sinker. This is solely on the government. It's immoral to keep vaccinated people in uncertainty and include them in any sort of lockdowns. >And you didn't lose 2 years of your life. You're alive, you didn't die due to the pandemic, did you? That's much less than can be said for 5 million others, mostly older or unhealthy to begin with. They're dead because people didn't follow the guidelines early and it kept spreading and spreading. This is not arguing in good faith. Healthy people in their 30s are not dying. Of all the 0.5m children infected in Israel only 200 were severe cases. >So, be grateful you're not dead, and do your part to increase collective resilience. I already did my part. Now my part will be attending a demo with all those "antivaxx / 5G chips believing people" and I will fight for my right to live a normal life.
- chimprich 5y ago
  Threats don't disappear just because you feel the solution is inconvenient to you.
  - lobocinza 5y ago
    Covid is not the only threat. And what is being labeled as convenience sometimes is just physical/mental health. How I'm supposed to exercise, be healthy and productive by staying indoors all the time? Also, am I supposed to substitute IRL social activities with video calls and social media? Don't get me wrong, I know there's some sort of middle ground but I wanted to provide food for thought.
blain 5y ago
For starters I would want my government to change the narrative. They should do their own independent research and present their own facts. Instead they blindly buy vaccines from US and repeat the agenda as everyone else. There is way too much politics involved. Pandemic should make people naturally empathic not forced by their governments to blindly obey.

RobertoG 5y ago

There is not realistic healthcare infrastructure that could compensate for exponential grow of patients.

Bud 5y ago

"You lost"? You? This isn't about you. And those 2 years are sunk costs for all of us. You're engaging in magical thinking, here. We can't afford it. It's self-centered. And it does nobody any good, most especially not you. Might get you killed, though. As an aside, no, the healthcare "sector" is not at all prepared, it has never been prepared, and it can't magically be made prepared, either. The only solution there is to avoid overloading the system. There aren't any other solutions. So rational people will continue to argue for all of the mitigation measures that we know are effective. Whether you like it or not. It's just as much "on you" to participate in that as it is "on" all of the rest of us.

junon 5y ago

"I'm inconvenienced and no longer care if others die because of it!"

mathverse 5y ago
"I am not arguing in good faith nor do I have an ounce of empathy for someone that have not seen family and loved ones for more than 2 years".
- junon 5y ago
  I'll be sure to tell that to my neighbor who lost both of her parents and a sister to COVID before the vaccines were available. I'm sure she'll understand. If omicron is actually a breakthrough variant, I'm sure all the people who are about to die will also understand how hurt your feelings are. I'm merely pointing out the selfishness in your stance and how harmful it is to the overall efforts of the medical community. That's not bad faith. We've all had an absolutely shit time. You're not special.
  - mathverse 5y ago
    Medical community should not be the only one making decisions that have such a massive impact on society. >I'm merely pointing out the selfishness in your stance and how harmful it is to the overall efforts of the medical community. That's not bad faith. We've all had an absolutely shit time. You're not special. Why is your right keeping families separated not selfish?
    - junon 5y ago
      > Medical community should not be the only one making decisions that have such a massive impact on society. Perhaps not when it's economic, technological, wartime, etc. Sure. But when it comes to the healthcare of everyone (not just the individual), they absolutely should. The problem is that politicians seem to think they know more about healthcare than the experts do. > Why is your right keeping families separated not selfish? My family has been separated, too. By almost half the planet. Your victim appeal doesn't work here.

gruturo 5y ago

I hate to break it to you, but a virus doesn't really care if you're sick and tired of the situation. It sucks, yeah. No, it's not OK to stop caring only because it's been so long. The socially responsible behavior is still the best course for an individual, even if surrounded by morons.

_moof 5y ago

Over 800,000 people in Europe have lost a lot more than two years. I understand that it's been a long time and you're frustrated, but this simply isn't over yet, and the consequences are real.