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This seems to be a repeat of the GNOME issues years and years and years ago where people would complain that donations were used to try and encourage women to p

This seems to be a repeat of the GNOME issues years and years and years ago where people would complain that donations were used to try and encourage women to program instead of spending it on infrastructure etc. I seem to remember people who complained about it were shouted down as mysogenist. It seems the organisations forget why they're here - to write software, not to try and solve all of mankind's issues and injustices. The scope becomes too broad and unfocused.

jefftk 5y ago
The Mozilla Foundation has seen their role as much larger than that for a long time. The first Mozilla manifesto came out in 2008 [1] and includes: The Mozilla Foundation pledges to support the Mozilla Manifesto in its activities. Specifically, we will: - build and enable open-source technologies and communities that support the Manifesto's principles; build and deliver great consumer products that support the Manifesto's principles; - use the Mozilla assets (intellectual property such as copyrights and trademarks, infrastructure, funds, and reputation) to keep the Internet an open platform; - promote models for creating economic value for the public benefit; and - promote the Mozilla Manifesto principles in public discourse and within the Internet industry [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20081218222911/http://www.mozilla.org/about/manifesto.en.html https://web.archive.org/web/20081218222911/http://www.mozill...
- 72deluxe 5y ago
  It still seems to hinge around consumer products and communities to support the products. Perhaps the cart has now been put in front of the horse somewhat and they think that a great community (or being involved in issues entirely separate to software) will somehow magically create great software.
the_why_of_y 5y ago
> I seem to remember people who complained about it were shouted down as mysogenist. Yes, that would be because the whole story was basically lies. https://fortintam.com/blog/outrageous-outreach/ https://fortintam.com/blog/outrageous-outreach/
- 72deluxe 5y ago
  Ah interesting. I wasn't aware of the bankruptcy claims later on. I just remember the original issue where people were complaining about the focus on outreach programs instead of just software in general. Interesting, thanks.

jefftk 5y ago

The Mozilla Foundation has seen their role as much larger than that for a long time. The first Mozilla manifesto came out in 2008 [1] and includes: The Mozilla Foundation pledges to support the Mozilla Manifesto in its activities. Specifically, we will: - build and enable open-source technologies and communities that support the Manifesto's principles; build and deliver great consumer products that support the Manifesto's principles; - use the Mozilla assets (intellectual property such as copyrights and trademarks, infrastructure, funds, and reputation) to keep the Internet an open platform; - promote models for creating economic value for the public benefit; and - promote the Mozilla Manifesto principles in public discourse and within the Internet industry [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20081218222911/http://www.mozilla.org/about/manifesto.en.html https://web.archive.org/web/20081218222911/http://www.mozill...

72deluxe 5y ago
It still seems to hinge around consumer products and communities to support the products. Perhaps the cart has now been put in front of the horse somewhat and they think that a great community (or being involved in issues entirely separate to software) will somehow magically create great software.

the_why_of_y 5y ago

> I seem to remember people who complained about it were shouted down as mysogenist. Yes, that would be because the whole story was basically lies. https://fortintam.com/blog/outrageous-outreach/ https://fortintam.com/blog/outrageous-outreach/

72deluxe 5y ago
Ah interesting. I wasn't aware of the bankruptcy claims later on. I just remember the original issue where people were complaining about the focus on outreach programs instead of just software in general. Interesting, thanks.