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Firefox just pushed yet another pointless UI change six months ago. People using their software just to go about with their lives don't like pointless UI change

Firefox just pushed yet another pointless UI change six months ago. People using their software just to go about with their lives don't like pointless UI changes.

traveler01 5y ago
This. I don't want to have my family asking to teach them how to use the browser everytime Mozilla decides to do a pointless UI change. Chrome pretty much barely changes where things are and how things behave and it's a pretty fast browser. If you want to fix Firefox go complain with their management.
- alex_smart 5y ago
  >If you want to fix Firefox go complain with their management. Despite being an open source project, Firefox management seems to be much less in touch with and responsive to their user's feedback compared to other browsers. As an example, both Safari and Firefox had the same bad idea at about the same time - converting tabs into floating buttons (although in the case of Safari the bad at least served a useful purpose: increasing vertical real estate for the browser). Both got negative feedback. The difference? Firefox management dug their heels deeper and told their users, "suck it up, this is the future of web browsing", whereas Apple listened to the feedback and killed the bad idea during the beta itself. Yet another example: killing off single site browsing or progressive web apps.
  - traveler01 5y ago
    Yeah there's need to be changes around Mozilla, something like it happened to AMD I guess, otherwise the latest of us still using Firefox will get tired of it and change to any Chromium-based browser (or Safari...).
soco 5y ago
I'm not ironic just puzzled: what was the UI change months ago? I'm using Firefox on two laptops and one Android and haven't noticed it...
- blendergeek 5y ago
  What Firefox version are you on?
  - soco 5y ago
    Always latest - it updates itself everywhere. So if there was a change, it was so minor I haven't even noticed it, less complain about it. But either way: what was the breaking UI change months ago again?
    - jhasse 5y ago
      https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/06/firefox-89-0-released-with-new-ui/amp/ https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/06/firefox-89-0-re...
- CRConrad 5y ago
  On desktop (Windows 10) Firefox, I can't see which tab is active because all the buttons on the "tab" bar look almost exactly the same.
  - soco 5y ago
    Okay I missed that because I don't use Firefox's tabs, but the Tree Style Tab extension.
- traveler01 5y ago
  Yeah, they changed a lot of stuff, even I, a techy person got confused about it.
NoGravitas 5y ago
On the whole, people using their software just to go about with their lives don't notice pointless UI changes of the scale you're talking about (changing the appearance of tabs). They don't even know what parts of the window are controlled by the application and which parts are controlled by the web page (if they even understand that distinction), and web pages change their UIs a lot faster than Firefox does.
dralley 5y ago
And Chrome pushed another pointless UI change six months before that.

Firefox just pushed yet another pointless UI change six months ago. People using their software just to go about with their lives don't like pointless UI changes.

traveler01 5y ago

This. I don't want to have my family asking to teach them how to use the browser everytime Mozilla decides to do a pointless UI change. Chrome pretty much barely changes where things are and how things behave and it's a pretty fast browser. If you want to fix Firefox go complain with their management.

alex_smart 5y ago
>If you want to fix Firefox go complain with their management. Despite being an open source project, Firefox management seems to be much less in touch with and responsive to their user's feedback compared to other browsers. As an example, both Safari and Firefox had the same bad idea at about the same time - converting tabs into floating buttons (although in the case of Safari the bad at least served a useful purpose: increasing vertical real estate for the browser). Both got negative feedback. The difference? Firefox management dug their heels deeper and told their users, "suck it up, this is the future of web browsing", whereas Apple listened to the feedback and killed the bad idea during the beta itself. Yet another example: killing off single site browsing or progressive web apps.
- traveler01 5y ago
  Yeah there's need to be changes around Mozilla, something like it happened to AMD I guess, otherwise the latest of us still using Firefox will get tired of it and change to any Chromium-based browser (or Safari...).

soco 5y ago

I'm not ironic just puzzled: what was the UI change months ago? I'm using Firefox on two laptops and one Android and haven't noticed it...

blendergeek 5y ago
What Firefox version are you on?
- soco 5y ago
  Always latest - it updates itself everywhere. So if there was a change, it was so minor I haven't even noticed it, less complain about it. But either way: what was the breaking UI change months ago again?
  - jhasse 5y ago
    https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/06/firefox-89-0-released-with-new-ui/amp/ https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/06/firefox-89-0-re...
CRConrad 5y ago
On desktop (Windows 10) Firefox, I can't see which tab is active because all the buttons on the "tab" bar look almost exactly the same.
- soco 5y ago
  Okay I missed that because I don't use Firefox's tabs, but the Tree Style Tab extension.
traveler01 5y ago
Yeah, they changed a lot of stuff, even I, a techy person got confused about it.

NoGravitas 5y ago

On the whole, people using their software just to go about with their lives don't notice pointless UI changes of the scale you're talking about (changing the appearance of tabs). They don't even know what parts of the window are controlled by the application and which parts are controlled by the web page (if they even understand that distinction), and web pages change their UIs a lot faster than Firefox does.

dralley 5y ago

And Chrome pushed another pointless UI change six months before that.