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Although I only speak English I greatly appreciate the fact their blog is available in so many other languages. Are their IDEs interfaces available in multiple

Although I only speak English I greatly appreciate the fact their blog is available in so many other languages. Are their IDEs interfaces available in multiple languages too?

nottorp 5y ago
Sheesh. Please no. Note that i do speak several languages and my native language isnt English. Still, please dont complicate my programming with translations.
- vbezhenar 5y ago
  I don't understand this approach. Obviously you'll have a choice. And those who struggle with English would love to have a choice as well.
  - 5560675260 5y ago
    Instead of learning english those people will now struggle both with english and programming, it is really a disservice. And when you'll collaborate with people using poorly translated terminology you'll struggle too.
    - dagmx 5y ago
      This is such a self centered colionolist attitude. Not everyone is going to be collaborating with foreigners. Even if a programming language is based around an English view, many company APIs may be based on their own primary communication language. Or it may just help someone who's still great at communicating in English to work more efficiently, when English isn't their primary language. Choice is good. Don't force your English centric world view on everyone.
      - 5560675260 5y ago
        It might look like there is a choice, but there is one good option and many bad ones. As long as english stays lingua franca, it will be the default language of every specs, docs and tool that matter. Even if development happens outside of anglosphere - nobody wants to get locked out of international community. There is just no getting away from this, unless Yellowstone eruption erases most of US and China gets to be a world leader. > Not everyone is going to be collaborating with foreigners Sure, someone can work for a pittance on an internal market. Handicapping you career like this is an example of a bad choice that I'm talking about. You wouldn't even be able to get a job in any decent company without going through an english language test first. This isn't obvious only if you yourself live in US and naively think that every other country is equally ripe with opportunity.
- Tajnymag 5y ago
  IDE language isn't tied to the language used in your codebase
  - mastazi 5y ago
    Parent has a point, there are so many things that don't even make sense in other languages, for example in my native language we don't have a word that corresponds to "Refactor", any possible translation would be weird and hard to understand, that's why I've never used an IDE in a language other than English. It's got nothing to do with "the language used in your codebase", whatever you mean by that (programming language? natural language used in strings?)
    - nwatson 5y ago
      I'm sure the Academie Français has made up an authorized word like rererefateurellement.
    - Tajnymag 5y ago
      Yes, I agree that certain things are complicated to be translated correctly Yes, almost all programming languages use English keywords. Yes, for international collaboration, English is a must. However, many non-native English speakers who are complete programming beginners do tend to have trouble with the locale the editor is in. Imagine you want to change a certain setting but don't know the correct English word for it. Or all the warnings, errors and hints the editor throws at you. Everything is in a language you were not born with. Personally I know a handful of people who struggle with English itself, but that shouldn't be a requisite to use the editor alone. As for my "tied to the language": parent comment didn't specify how the IDE affected their programming workflow, so I went with a general statement.
      - nottorp 5y ago
        The thing is, if you want to stay up to date with programming you cant afford to wait for Information in your native language anyway. Unless youre a complete beginner. So whats the point in having the menus, debugger etc translated, except for extra confusion? Would you like the build config files translated too?
- mastazi 5y ago
  I'm in your same boat, English as a second language and I dislike having to use my native tongue for dev-related concepts, it just doesn't work.
Tajnymag 5y ago
It seems they aren't.
FpUser 5y ago
English is my second language and my knowledge of it is far from perfect. Still after decades of development my brain simply refuses to understand any IDE or anything development related for that matter in any language other than the English. And it's been that way even when I did not understand nearly any English.
julalexandrova 5y ago
JetBrains offers IntelliJ-based IDEs in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2021/07/language-packs-public-release/ https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2021/07/language-packs-publi...

Although I only speak English I greatly appreciate the fact their blog is available in so many other languages. Are their IDEs interfaces available in multiple languages too?

nottorp 5y ago

Sheesh. Please no. Note that i do speak several languages and my native language isnt English. Still, please dont complicate my programming with translations.

vbezhenar 5y ago
I don't understand this approach. Obviously you'll have a choice. And those who struggle with English would love to have a choice as well.
- 5560675260 5y ago
  Instead of learning english those people will now struggle both with english and programming, it is really a disservice. And when you'll collaborate with people using poorly translated terminology you'll struggle too.
  - dagmx 5y ago
    This is such a self centered colionolist attitude. Not everyone is going to be collaborating with foreigners. Even if a programming language is based around an English view, many company APIs may be based on their own primary communication language. Or it may just help someone who's still great at communicating in English to work more efficiently, when English isn't their primary language. Choice is good. Don't force your English centric world view on everyone.
    - 5560675260 5y ago
      It might look like there is a choice, but there is one good option and many bad ones. As long as english stays lingua franca, it will be the default language of every specs, docs and tool that matter. Even if development happens outside of anglosphere - nobody wants to get locked out of international community. There is just no getting away from this, unless Yellowstone eruption erases most of US and China gets to be a world leader. > Not everyone is going to be collaborating with foreigners Sure, someone can work for a pittance on an internal market. Handicapping you career like this is an example of a bad choice that I'm talking about. You wouldn't even be able to get a job in any decent company without going through an english language test first. This isn't obvious only if you yourself live in US and naively think that every other country is equally ripe with opportunity.
Tajnymag 5y ago
IDE language isn't tied to the language used in your codebase
- mastazi 5y ago
  Parent has a point, there are so many things that don't even make sense in other languages, for example in my native language we don't have a word that corresponds to "Refactor", any possible translation would be weird and hard to understand, that's why I've never used an IDE in a language other than English. It's got nothing to do with "the language used in your codebase", whatever you mean by that (programming language? natural language used in strings?)
  - nwatson 5y ago
    I'm sure the Academie Français has made up an authorized word like rererefateurellement.
  - Tajnymag 5y ago
    Yes, I agree that certain things are complicated to be translated correctly Yes, almost all programming languages use English keywords. Yes, for international collaboration, English is a must. However, many non-native English speakers who are complete programming beginners do tend to have trouble with the locale the editor is in. Imagine you want to change a certain setting but don't know the correct English word for it. Or all the warnings, errors and hints the editor throws at you. Everything is in a language you were not born with. Personally I know a handful of people who struggle with English itself, but that shouldn't be a requisite to use the editor alone. As for my "tied to the language": parent comment didn't specify how the IDE affected their programming workflow, so I went with a general statement.
    - nottorp 5y ago
      The thing is, if you want to stay up to date with programming you cant afford to wait for Information in your native language anyway. Unless youre a complete beginner. So whats the point in having the menus, debugger etc translated, except for extra confusion? Would you like the build config files translated too?
mastazi 5y ago
I'm in your same boat, English as a second language and I dislike having to use my native tongue for dev-related concepts, it just doesn't work.

Tajnymag 5y ago

It seems they aren't.

FpUser 5y ago

English is my second language and my knowledge of it is far from perfect. Still after decades of development my brain simply refuses to understand any IDE or anything development related for that matter in any language other than the English. And it's been that way even when I did not understand nearly any English.

julalexandrova 5y ago

JetBrains offers IntelliJ-based IDEs in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2021/07/language-packs-public-release/ https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2021/07/language-packs-publi...