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I'd say a way better approach is what was on HN recently where the chat platforms will have to enable 3rd party integrations effectively breaking the walled gar

I'd say a way better approach is what was on HN recently where the chat platforms will have to enable 3rd party integrations effectively breaking the walled gardens. It makes way more sense to collapse the walls than distance and split the gardens

tester34 5y ago
You mean Discord implementing XMPP?
- gmueckl 5y ago
  Maybe, but the services might also be allowed to offer completely custom APIs. The proposal isn't quite clear on that. Also, at this stage it's just a draft that has a long way to go until it can come into effect and the chances that it gets altered into something completely different along the way are still pretty high. Don't get your hopes up yet.
- galbar 5y ago
  And/Or Matrix
  - sneak 5y ago
    It should be a rule that you have to have implemented a protocol before you can start demanding that others do so.
    - galbar 5y ago
      No demanding here, just wishful thinking. I am aware that the Matrix protocol is way more complex than other chat protocols.
isoprophlex 5y ago
This would be a beautiful result, something that's 100% beneficial to a consumer Would be great not to have six chat apps open all the time.
- shubhamkrm 5y ago
  Yeah. I sometimes miss the days where I could chat with my Facebook friends using Empathy on Linux without having a browser open.
technofiend 5y ago
Maybe I misunderstood your reasoning but it seems like you're suggesting that Whatsapp for instance is forced to let third party clients connect to their system? That still gives Facebook access to data I don't want them to have. The whole point is to cut these information brokers entirely out of the loop, not force them into a compromise where they get some of what they want anyway.
- horsawlarway 5y ago
  Not really - it's pretty easy to add encryption on top of a channel as long as both folks are using a client that would support it.
elliekelly 5y ago
I think that’s the worst possible solution. At the moment I have control over whether or not I have any conversations via Facebook’s platform. The forced 3rd Party integration completely takes that away. Facebook will weasel even further into the lives of those who actively try to avoid them.
criddell 5y ago
I was thinking about this and wondering how you can offer secure federated messaging. Does one encryption scheme have to mandated as the standard scheme?

tester34 5y ago

You mean Discord implementing XMPP?

gmueckl 5y ago
Maybe, but the services might also be allowed to offer completely custom APIs. The proposal isn't quite clear on that. Also, at this stage it's just a draft that has a long way to go until it can come into effect and the chances that it gets altered into something completely different along the way are still pretty high. Don't get your hopes up yet.
galbar 5y ago
And/Or Matrix
- sneak 5y ago
  It should be a rule that you have to have implemented a protocol before you can start demanding that others do so.
  - galbar 5y ago
    No demanding here, just wishful thinking. I am aware that the Matrix protocol is way more complex than other chat protocols.

isoprophlex 5y ago

This would be a beautiful result, something that's 100% beneficial to a consumer Would be great not to have six chat apps open all the time.

shubhamkrm 5y ago
Yeah. I sometimes miss the days where I could chat with my Facebook friends using Empathy on Linux without having a browser open.

technofiend 5y ago

Maybe I misunderstood your reasoning but it seems like you're suggesting that Whatsapp for instance is forced to let third party clients connect to their system? That still gives Facebook access to data I don't want them to have. The whole point is to cut these information brokers entirely out of the loop, not force them into a compromise where they get some of what they want anyway.

horsawlarway 5y ago
Not really - it's pretty easy to add encryption on top of a channel as long as both folks are using a client that would support it.

elliekelly 5y ago

I think that’s the worst possible solution. At the moment I have control over whether or not I have any conversations via Facebook’s platform. The forced 3rd Party integration completely takes that away. Facebook will weasel even further into the lives of those who actively try to avoid them.

criddell 5y ago

I was thinking about this and wondering how you can offer secure federated messaging. Does one encryption scheme have to mandated as the standard scheme?