> Nowhere have I said juniors can't learn SQL either Then why invest so much effort trying to convince me that they shouldn’t learn SQL or that ORMs are better

> Nowhere have I said juniors can't learn SQL either Then why invest so much effort trying to convince me that they shouldn’t learn SQL or that ORMs are better than learning how the underlying database manages their relational data? ;) If I come across arrogant it’s because I’ve spent meany years managing fixing a great many failing dev teams and the comments you’re making resonate heavily with those who are usually against the changes I make. They always come round to agreeing that those changes are for the better after living with them for a few months. But I guess we’ll never prove that on a message board so I’m happy to agree to disagree for the sake of etiquette.