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> If the UK can avoid civil war even with persistent IRA bombings I think we will too That wasn’t exactly the same, that was people from an occupied territory

> If the UK can avoid civil war even with persistent IRA bombings I think we will too That wasn’t exactly the same, that was people from an occupied territory using terrorism. That occupied territory was effectively converted to a “free trade zone” and other agreements were made for a treaty. I’d argue something such as a convention of states may be a treaty or a negotiated settlement with the government that’s necessary. In terms of a civil war this is a pretty common opinion https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/09/16/is-the-us-headed-for-another-civil-war/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/09/16/is-the-us-h... We have half the country with different values. To the point where people in Florida today can’t travel to NYC and eat food at a restaurant inside (unless private medical records are disclosed). https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccines-keytonyc.page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccines-keyton... California has as a banned state employees from going to Texas. https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/california-bans-state-travel-5-states-anti-lgbtq-bigotry-rcna1293 https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/california-bans-sta... BLM/ANTIFA burned down towns and killed people https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b06a-66f9db4cea9c.html https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a4... The mentioned capital riot you mentioned. The left “fortified the election 2020 election” https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ Historical figures defiled and removed https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/11/23/thomas-jefferson-statue-removed-nyc-slaveowner/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/11/23/thomas-jef... People fired for vaccines, voting for Trump, donating to rittenhouse defense fund, taken off the air and “cancelled”, so on and so on. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/virginia-police-officer-fired-after-donating-kyle-rittenhouse-defense-fund-n1264783 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/virginia-police-officer... Take a step back to history. Nazis in Germany or marxists in Russia took power in a similar way. They had burnings of businesses, removal of statues, firing people for not being part of the party, concentrating them based on the fact they spread disease (Germanys excuse for concentrating undesirables in camps in the 30s). Yes, we are already in the throes of a civil war, it just hasn’t been (too) kinetic yet. I personally don’t know if it will be a civil war or authoritarian take over, but what ever happens I think there’s a struggle happening right now.

no_wizard 5y ago
I guess I see this differently. I see the last gasp of the Republican Party more than anything, as the younger you go (and not terribly younger, at that[0]), they are losing influence, and are trying every trick in the book to maintain that influence. Note too, that things like the statues being removed tend to be because we are finally acknowledging our historical issues, like having prominent statues celebrating slave owners may not be a trend we want to continue, its not being done in way to silence political opposition. Is there any reason we need to hold slave owners in such high esteem we keep statues around of them? Even our founders don't deserve to be forever enshrined in the American conscious in that way, no? The thing people forget about the Nazi rise to power is it wasn't just predicated out of nowhere, it was a ripe time where the beliefs espoused by the Nazi party where a lot more popular and acceptable in that era, unfortunately. [0]: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-number-of-americans-identifying-as-republican-is-the-lowest-its-been-in-a-decade-gallup-poll-11617812129 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-number-of-americans-id...

no_wizard 5y ago

I guess I see this differently. I see the last gasp of the Republican Party more than anything, as the younger you go (and not terribly younger, at that[0]), they are losing influence, and are trying every trick in the book to maintain that influence. Note too, that things like the statues being removed tend to be because we are finally acknowledging our historical issues, like having prominent statues celebrating slave owners may not be a trend we want to continue, its not being done in way to silence political opposition. Is there any reason we need to hold slave owners in such high esteem we keep statues around of them? Even our founders don't deserve to be forever enshrined in the American conscious in that way, no? The thing people forget about the Nazi rise to power is it wasn't just predicated out of nowhere, it was a ripe time where the beliefs espoused by the Nazi party where a lot more popular and acceptable in that era, unfortunately. [0]: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-number-of-americans-identifying-as-republican-is-the-lowest-its-been-in-a-decade-gallup-poll-11617812129 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-number-of-americans-id...