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Thanks for the info, I don't care about old kernels but apt that does't work is really ridiculous, the kernel is much older than I thought it would be. >The so

Thanks for the info, I don't care about old kernels but apt that does't work is really ridiculous, the kernel is much older than I thought it would be. >The software doesn't suck; you have an actual hope for getting updates and things working nicely. I would also say this is also not true, the software sucks, the hope of getting things working nicely is the same as hoping an device sold with outdated chromebook hardware sold as a new device from a linux hardware seller that sold them without a functional operating system will work with today's modern applications.

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
Yeah, I honestly don't understand how they managed to ship it without doing any testing because it's not like you could miss the package manager not working. I do, however, think you're underselling the importance of the kernel; not only is 3.18 a complete security disaster, it's so old that it's starting to actually miss features that I would care about. And yes, strictly speaking any device with the source available or perhaps even without the source available can eventually be made to work, and if I ever manage to find the time and develop the skill I'm happy to port the patches myself, but in practice if there's not a community of other people already working on it I tend to avoid the hardware because the odds of me personally maintaining the whole thing is effectively zero.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  What new features do you need from it? I don’t think there’s much interest in this device, I guess I don’t care about the kernel because I’ve used old ones with no issues.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
    > What new features do you need from it? Off the top of my head, mostly container features, plus some compression and encryption features for filesystems. Also, 4.x and 5.x baked in more features that anbox needs, which previously needed DKMS. Probably none of this is a hard requirement, although I've not used a 3.x kernel in such a long time that I'd have to test it again, but it is a quality of life issue. > I don’t think there’s much interest in this device, Right, which is why I don't like it; no community means no updates and no fixes. > I guess I don’t care about the kernel because I’ve used old ones with no issues. I guess if it works then it works. Even if I could live without the newer features I'd worry about security issues, but if your workspace works then it's fine.
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      It’s not that I don’t care about security but I use old kernels locally, and with a small arm device I don’t expect them to run android apps, but they’re also old devices so I understand why that matters for new ones, and if you use it as a phone it would be disastrous. Since it’s intranet with a secure router it protects my insecure devices.

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago

Yeah, I honestly don't understand how they managed to ship it without doing any testing because it's not like you could miss the package manager not working. I do, however, think you're underselling the importance of the kernel; not only is 3.18 a complete security disaster, it's so old that it's starting to actually miss features that I would care about. And yes, strictly speaking any device with the source available or perhaps even without the source available can eventually be made to work, and if I ever manage to find the time and develop the skill I'm happy to port the patches myself, but in practice if there's not a community of other people already working on it I tend to avoid the hardware because the odds of me personally maintaining the whole thing is effectively zero.

GhettoComputers 5y ago
What new features do you need from it? I don’t think there’s much interest in this device, I guess I don’t care about the kernel because I’ve used old ones with no issues.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  > What new features do you need from it? Off the top of my head, mostly container features, plus some compression and encryption features for filesystems. Also, 4.x and 5.x baked in more features that anbox needs, which previously needed DKMS. Probably none of this is a hard requirement, although I've not used a 3.x kernel in such a long time that I'd have to test it again, but it is a quality of life issue. > I don’t think there’s much interest in this device, Right, which is why I don't like it; no community means no updates and no fixes. > I guess I don’t care about the kernel because I’ve used old ones with no issues. I guess if it works then it works. Even if I could live without the newer features I'd worry about security issues, but if your workspace works then it's fine.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    It’s not that I don’t care about security but I use old kernels locally, and with a small arm device I don’t expect them to run android apps, but they’re also old devices so I understand why that matters for new ones, and if you use it as a phone it would be disastrous. Since it’s intranet with a secure router it protects my insecure devices.