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We got to zero polio. What's stopping it from happening here?

artificial 5y ago
Different type of disease for starters. No animal reservoirs either and the vaccine is effective with a single dose (and doesn’t require boosters). Perhaps we can focus on more health generally? Diet and exercise to curb the massive obesity in the western world.
- flatiron 5y ago
  Honestly I think it’s easier to cure Covid than western obesity.
  - chrisjs95 5y ago
    It's probably easier to cure every type of Cancer than it is to cure obesity.
- gus_massa 5y ago
  The number and type of recommended polio vaccines depends, but the WHO recommends at least four doses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#Schedule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#Schedule
  - artificial 5y ago
    Interesting. The CDC[0] in the US (IPOV insert [1]) states a single doze of 0.5ml for children and adults. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/composition-dosage-administration.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/composition-dosag... [1] https://www.fda.gov/media/75695/download https://www.fda.gov/media/75695/download
    - gus_massa 5y ago
      In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_schedule#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_schedule#United_St... it says 4 doses. Also in your second link, in page 8 says > All children should receive four doses of IPV at ages 2, 4, 6 to 18 months, and 4 to 6 years.
spartanatreyu 5y ago
Denialism and lack of economic support.
- Eelongate 5y ago
  It takes serious denialism to believe the covid vaccines are anywhere close to the effectiveness of polio vaccines.
adrr 5y ago
Polio was a 1st world issue. "It's a paradox of public health that being too clean can sometimes lead to disease. For centuries, infants were routinely exposed to the poliovirus in their unsanitary living conditions. Polio rarely causes paralysis in infants, partly because of the maternal antibodies still present in their systems. In the 1900s, many countries cleaned up their water and sanitation systems, and houses in more affluent communities were routinely cleaned, reducing exposure to microbes. By the 1930s, '40s, and '50s, new mothers, especially those in the middle class, had no antibodies in their immune systems to pass on to their children. When children were exposed to the poliovirus in later years, they were defenseless against the disease." https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/rxforsurvival/series/diseases/polio.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/rxforsurvival/series/diseases/polio...
Muromec 5y ago
We didn't get to zero polio really and people in some countries stopped vaccinating children against it.
incrudible 5y ago
The lack of sterilizing immunity. You can not expect your immune system to mount a permanent immediate defense against coronaviruses. Once everybody has encountered SARS2 at least once, it may become as harmless as the other endemic coronaviruses. That is to say, not entirely harmless, but nothing to lose sleep over. It will never go away. How we deal with that is up to us.
- scotty79 5y ago
  People get sick with covid multiple times. Our immune systems are just naturally not good enough to deal with this virus. Covid will stop being a concern only after safe and incredibly efficient antiviral drug is developed, which might take decades.
  - incrudible 5y ago
    You can get reinfected with all sorts of respiratory viruses. Like I said, nothing to lose sleep over. Antivirals have a very limited window of opportunity. Nothing will make our concerns disappear. At some point, we need to move on.
    - scotty79 5y ago
      I don't think we can move on because we haven't adjusted our health services to way larger number of sick and dying people every flu season.
      - Stranger43 5y ago
        We might have to, there is no guarantee that mRNA vaccines or lockdowns will ever stop covid to to point where no one ever gets hospitalized with covid. This is the inconvenient truth that absolutely nobody in the establishment is even remotely willing to even consider and a big part of the debate that is being replaced with an accusation contest. What do we do when the vaccination program only works as promised by the scientists developing it, and not as hoped for by the politicians ordering it?
edmcnulty101 5y ago
Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-duration-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-dur...

Different type of disease for starters. No animal reservoirs either and the vaccine is effective with a single dose (and doesn’t require boosters). Perhaps we can focus on more health generally? Diet and exercise to curb the massive obesity in the western world.

flatiron 5y ago
Honestly I think it’s easier to cure Covid than western obesity.
- chrisjs95 5y ago
  It's probably easier to cure every type of Cancer than it is to cure obesity.
gus_massa 5y ago
The number and type of recommended polio vaccines depends, but the WHO recommends at least four doses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#Schedule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#Schedule
- artificial 5y ago
  Interesting. The CDC[0] in the US (IPOV insert [1]) states a single doze of 0.5ml for children and adults. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/composition-dosage-administration.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/composition-dosag... [1] https://www.fda.gov/media/75695/download https://www.fda.gov/media/75695/download
  - gus_massa 5y ago
    In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_schedule#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_schedule#United_St... it says 4 doses. Also in your second link, in page 8 says > All children should receive four doses of IPV at ages 2, 4, 6 to 18 months, and 4 to 6 years.

spartanatreyu 5y ago

Denialism and lack of economic support.

Eelongate 5y ago
It takes serious denialism to believe the covid vaccines are anywhere close to the effectiveness of polio vaccines.

adrr 5y ago

Polio was a 1st world issue. "It's a paradox of public health that being too clean can sometimes lead to disease. For centuries, infants were routinely exposed to the poliovirus in their unsanitary living conditions. Polio rarely causes paralysis in infants, partly because of the maternal antibodies still present in their systems. In the 1900s, many countries cleaned up their water and sanitation systems, and houses in more affluent communities were routinely cleaned, reducing exposure to microbes. By the 1930s, '40s, and '50s, new mothers, especially those in the middle class, had no antibodies in their immune systems to pass on to their children. When children were exposed to the poliovirus in later years, they were defenseless against the disease." https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/rxforsurvival/series/diseases/polio.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/rxforsurvival/series/diseases/polio...

Muromec 5y ago

We didn't get to zero polio really and people in some countries stopped vaccinating children against it.

incrudible 5y ago

The lack of sterilizing immunity. You can not expect your immune system to mount a permanent immediate defense against coronaviruses. Once everybody has encountered SARS2 at least once, it may become as harmless as the other endemic coronaviruses. That is to say, not entirely harmless, but nothing to lose sleep over. It will never go away. How we deal with that is up to us.

scotty79 5y ago
People get sick with covid multiple times. Our immune systems are just naturally not good enough to deal with this virus. Covid will stop being a concern only after safe and incredibly efficient antiviral drug is developed, which might take decades.
- incrudible 5y ago
  You can get reinfected with all sorts of respiratory viruses. Like I said, nothing to lose sleep over. Antivirals have a very limited window of opportunity. Nothing will make our concerns disappear. At some point, we need to move on.
  - scotty79 5y ago
    I don't think we can move on because we haven't adjusted our health services to way larger number of sick and dying people every flu season.
    - Stranger43 5y ago
      We might have to, there is no guarantee that mRNA vaccines or lockdowns will ever stop covid to to point where no one ever gets hospitalized with covid. This is the inconvenient truth that absolutely nobody in the establishment is even remotely willing to even consider and a big part of the debate that is being replaced with an accusation contest. What do we do when the vaccination program only works as promised by the scientists developing it, and not as hoped for by the politicians ordering it?

edmcnulty101 5y ago

Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-duration-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-dur...