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This touch screen hate reminds me of iphone vs nokia hysteria. Touch screen in the car is far more superior, has more usability pros and in the long term will m

by maxdo 5y ago

This touch screen hate reminds me of iphone vs nokia hysteria. Touch screen in the car is far more superior, has more usability pros and in the long term will make cars cheaper. Since it radically eliminates car design complexity. Usability: main trend, your car doesn't need so many overwhelming controls like in the past : 1. Tachometer, oil, temperature etc.. all go away due to electric cars. all you need to monitor regularly is speed. Even that partially replaces with speed sound notifications when you're above limit since cars are smart enough to read signs. Even something like windshield wipers is controlled automatically, far better and frequent reaction to the outdoor conditions. And it's just getting and better and smarter with time. 2. Phone-less experience: You don't need a phone mounted in your car somewhere if your car has a decent screen for navigation, internet and multi media. No wires, no annoying manual operations to mount/connect the phone every-time you sit in the car. No constant distraction, better security. 3. Drive controls: EV is far better at controlling traction, any kind of manual control has no meaning unless you want a "ride a horse" experience. Hence that, you mostly need steering wheel-mounted or even without it e.g. new model S. Floor-mounted is an anachronism and has nothing to do with usability since there is no logical reason to keep it on the floor. The only explanation, i'm old and I'm used to having it this way. 4. Air conditioner and climate control: touch screen is by far more superior as it gives you control from one place. You don't need to change settings from several places manually pushing something to get comfortable. Just count number of frictions you do , you change temp, you change flow in one place in the center, by the left door, right door... And that's every time you need to change settings. In most of the cases, you switch profiles, and you're good. It also works when you're switching the car. It knows what corner to blow the air, how strong, and what temperature you prefer in the previous car you drove recently. If you need the other passenger preferences or you're in the car just by yourself. If the car is heating, blow one way, if it's cooling do it other way... 5. Back up cameras: Any big screen gives you amazing observability, with several cameras. Simple rule of thumb the bigger the better. 6. Multimedia, full screen with movies, games, decent albums covers, in-car karaoke while on the trip... I guess this one is the clearest win. 7. Navigation: Yep, do you want to see a map on tiny phone or low-quality monitor or you want to observe your trip on a giant screen? No brainer unless you are biased. 8. Customization. Yeah, people are different. Manual controls don't let you do so. 9. Updates. Yep, manufacture can add extra features. Retrofit upgrades will work better since new/updated hardware can be easily integrated on the screen. 10. Keys, access management, security: You don't have keys, start button. You can leave the message that a car temperature is good and a dog is in good condition. You can programmatically restrict access to the glovebox when you're in valet parking, so no one will steal your documents, etc... it's so easy without manual controls. The summary is : if you drive a sport car, touch screen+EV is better, it will go faster, with better traction etc. if you like outdoor: same as sport, better driving, an overview of complex spots, maps, planning of your trip, notifications etc... companies like Rivian market offering is completely about outdoor, Cybertruck, Ford follows. if you like comfort, sit-and-drive feeling: EV+Touch+Voice screen is the best option. You don't need start buttons, manual keys, manual controls etc... Just approach the car, open the door hit a pedal, and drive. Despite all these pros, the main problem is implementation. Look at Volkswagen. They try to copy the success of competitors, but they've been cheap with hardware and usability, their screens are glitchy. But that's just bad quality. The same was with some first-gen touch phones, that were able to glitch even when someone calls you.

timc3 5y ago
Thanks. That was hilarious. Wrong in so many ways, but hilarious.
- maxdo 5y ago
  It would be great to see any of it that is completely wrong, but not "my plain old I used to do it this way" type of thing.
  - raaspazasu 5y ago
    > 1. Tachometer, oil, temperature etc.. all go away due to electric cars. all you need to monitor regularly is speed. Even that partially replaces with speed sound notifications when you're above limit since cars are smart enough to read signs. Even something like windshield wipers is controlled automatically, far better and frequent reaction to the outdoor conditions. And it's just getting and better and smarter with time. I've had windshield wipers not go as fast as I want them to. I do like automatic headlights though. Maybe you would prefer automatic blinkers too? > 2. Phone-less experience: You don't need a phone mounted in your car somewhere if your car has a decent screen for navigation, internet and multi media. No wires, no annoying manual operations to mount/connect the phone every-time you sit in the car. No constant distraction, better security. Nobody is saying they prefer using the touchscreen on their phone instead of a touchscreen on their dash. > 3. Drive controls: EV is far better at controlling traction, any kind of manual control has no meaning unless you want a "ride a horse" experience. Hence that, you mostly need steering wheel-mounted or even without it e.g. new model S. Floor-mounted is an anachronism and has nothing to do with usability since there is no logical reason to keep it on the floor. The only explanation, i'm old and I'm used to having it this way. There are many cars with better traction over EVs. I think you're forgetting about the extra 1000lbs of weight batteries add. This is just blatantly wrong on so many levels. EV's can have good traction, but be realistic on this. > 4. Air conditioner and climate control: touch screen is by far more superior as it gives you control from one place. You don't need to change settings from several places manually pushing something to get comfortable. Just count number of frictions you do , you change temp, you change flow in one place in the center, by the left door, right door... And that's every time you need to change settings. In most of the cases, you switch profiles, and you're good. It also works when you're switching the car. It knows what corner to blow the air, how strong, and what temperature you prefer in the previous car you drove recently. If you need the other passenger preferences or you're in the car just by yourself. If the car is heating, blow one way, if it's cooling do it other way... On my cars with buttons I can change temp, airflow, etc without looking away from the road. With my EV/touchscreen car I need to look at the actual panel, which for me is downwards. Profile are rediculous. You've never been in a situation where it starts raining and the weather gets colder? If I have to click a screen to pull up another screen to change something, the UX is bad. > 5. Back up cameras: Any big screen gives you amazing observability, with several cameras. Simple rule of thumb the bigger the better. Okay > 6. Multimedia, full screen with movies, games, decent albums covers, in-car karaoke while on the trip... I guess this one is the clearest win. Do you watch movies while you're driving? You should stop. > 7. Navigation: Yep, do you want to see a map on tiny phone or low-quality monitor or you want to observe your trip on a giant screen? No brainer unless you are biased. Again, is anyone talking about using their phone instead? If you like the nav on your app, touchscreen does work well. I never have maps up, I know where I'm going. But I'm old, and also have a lot of phone numbers memorized also! > 8. Customization. Yeah, people are different. Manual controls don't let you do so. I do appreciate how I can complete customize my touchscreen! Oh wait.... > 9. Updates. Yep, manufacture can add extra features. Retrofit upgrades will work better since new/updated hardware can be easily integrated on the screen. You have to pay for a lot of these, upgrades also don't work out that great. Conversely, I would gladly pay to "upgrade" my vents to not be controlled through a touchscreen. > 10. Keys, access management, security: You don't have keys, start button. You can leave the message that a car temperature is good and a dog is in good condition. You can programmatically restrict access to the glovebox when you're in valet parking, so no one will steal your documents, etc... it's so easy without manual controls. I don't leave important things like this in the car, so.... tldr; They're trying to solve for issues that aren't problems. I don't think anyone ever said "it'd be so much better to go through a submenu to change where the airflow comes out of the vents"

by maxdo 5y ago

timc3 5y ago

Thanks. That was hilarious. Wrong in so many ways, but hilarious.

maxdo 5y ago
It would be great to see any of it that is completely wrong, but not "my plain old I used to do it this way" type of thing.
- raaspazasu 5y ago
  > 1. Tachometer, oil, temperature etc.. all go away due to electric cars. all you need to monitor regularly is speed. Even that partially replaces with speed sound notifications when you're above limit since cars are smart enough to read signs. Even something like windshield wipers is controlled automatically, far better and frequent reaction to the outdoor conditions. And it's just getting and better and smarter with time. I've had windshield wipers not go as fast as I want them to. I do like automatic headlights though. Maybe you would prefer automatic blinkers too? > 2. Phone-less experience: You don't need a phone mounted in your car somewhere if your car has a decent screen for navigation, internet and multi media. No wires, no annoying manual operations to mount/connect the phone every-time you sit in the car. No constant distraction, better security. Nobody is saying they prefer using the touchscreen on their phone instead of a touchscreen on their dash. > 3. Drive controls: EV is far better at controlling traction, any kind of manual control has no meaning unless you want a "ride a horse" experience. Hence that, you mostly need steering wheel-mounted or even without it e.g. new model S. Floor-mounted is an anachronism and has nothing to do with usability since there is no logical reason to keep it on the floor. The only explanation, i'm old and I'm used to having it this way. There are many cars with better traction over EVs. I think you're forgetting about the extra 1000lbs of weight batteries add. This is just blatantly wrong on so many levels. EV's can have good traction, but be realistic on this. > 4. Air conditioner and climate control: touch screen is by far more superior as it gives you control from one place. You don't need to change settings from several places manually pushing something to get comfortable. Just count number of frictions you do , you change temp, you change flow in one place in the center, by the left door, right door... And that's every time you need to change settings. In most of the cases, you switch profiles, and you're good. It also works when you're switching the car. It knows what corner to blow the air, how strong, and what temperature you prefer in the previous car you drove recently. If you need the other passenger preferences or you're in the car just by yourself. If the car is heating, blow one way, if it's cooling do it other way... On my cars with buttons I can change temp, airflow, etc without looking away from the road. With my EV/touchscreen car I need to look at the actual panel, which for me is downwards. Profile are rediculous. You've never been in a situation where it starts raining and the weather gets colder? If I have to click a screen to pull up another screen to change something, the UX is bad. > 5. Back up cameras: Any big screen gives you amazing observability, with several cameras. Simple rule of thumb the bigger the better. Okay > 6. Multimedia, full screen with movies, games, decent albums covers, in-car karaoke while on the trip... I guess this one is the clearest win. Do you watch movies while you're driving? You should stop. > 7. Navigation: Yep, do you want to see a map on tiny phone or low-quality monitor or you want to observe your trip on a giant screen? No brainer unless you are biased. Again, is anyone talking about using their phone instead? If you like the nav on your app, touchscreen does work well. I never have maps up, I know where I'm going. But I'm old, and also have a lot of phone numbers memorized also! > 8. Customization. Yeah, people are different. Manual controls don't let you do so. I do appreciate how I can complete customize my touchscreen! Oh wait.... > 9. Updates. Yep, manufacture can add extra features. Retrofit upgrades will work better since new/updated hardware can be easily integrated on the screen. You have to pay for a lot of these, upgrades also don't work out that great. Conversely, I would gladly pay to "upgrade" my vents to not be controlled through a touchscreen. > 10. Keys, access management, security: You don't have keys, start button. You can leave the message that a car temperature is good and a dog is in good condition. You can programmatically restrict access to the glovebox when you're in valet parking, so no one will steal your documents, etc... it's so easy without manual controls. I don't leave important things like this in the car, so.... tldr; They're trying to solve for issues that aren't problems. I don't think anyone ever said "it'd be so much better to go through a submenu to change where the airflow comes out of the vents"