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Imagine doing a high risk, low(ish) paid job where every action you do is now scrutinised and certain politically motivated groups are actively trying to defund

by gvv 5y ago

Imagine doing a high risk, low(ish) paid job where every action you do is now scrutinised and certain politically motivated groups are actively trying to defund you. No wonder they don't feel compelled to intervene.

xxpor 5y ago
The correct response to that is to stop paying them then. You end up with the same result, but at least they're not wasting money at the same time.
- koheripbal 5y ago
  I honestly think that people with this attitude should be made to live in a city without police. ...and locked in there.
  - xxpor 5y ago
    In any other job you'd be fired immediately for that kind of behavior. Why are cops different?
    - ergocoder 5y ago
      Because of union. The only union republicans support.
      - mansion7 5y ago
        Is that a surprise? It's one of the few major unions that is not outright antagonistic to Republican policies and goals. Republicans see cops as defending them from the outcome of failed liberal policies. Even rich liberals tacitly acknowledge this by hiring their own private police, while they seek to reduce the efficacy of "the public option".
        ergocoder 5y ago
        It is, especially when many try to push for a union with sound reasoning and etc. Then, the 10 biggest unions in US are like the worst, most unethical, most corrupted organizations in the country.
hotpotamus 5y ago
Not to mention the prevalence of guns. Would you exchange some small arms fire with a few burglars in order to protect someone else’s product?
- akomtu 5y ago
  SF has banned guns for all practical matters.
  - hotpotamus 5y ago
    And how much has that affected access to guns?
V__ 5y ago
You make it sound like there is absolutely no reason for this whatsoever on the side of the police. It's also not really high risk when compared to other jobs which people perceive as more "normal", it 22nd in the US: https://www.facilities.udel.edu/safety/4689/ https://www.facilities.udel.edu/safety/4689/ Average pay is 67k: https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/04/23/police-officer-salary-state/?sh=3b3813e52010 https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/04/23/polic... What other jobs offers that many protections against often times obvious misconduct yet still always "feels" under attack? If a nurse injects the wrong medicine, they are gone. There is no national outcry that nurses are under attack. The extreme opposition against police reform is extremely ridiculous.
- perl4ever 5y ago
  > If a nurse injects the wrong medicine, they are gone. Um...I don't work in healthcare, but my union includes some, and they definitely try to protect members who get in trouble irrespective of the circumstances. There is a procedure for investigating someone who is accused of mistreating the vulnerable, that ends in putting people on a banned list, (if not prosecuted, etc) and the union has a guide to the minutiae of what someone under investigation is legally required to answer. That's not the same as "injecting the wrong medicine", but wouldn't an honest mistake be considered less serious than neglect or abuse usually? I don't know, just guessing. One thing that seems to be happening right now, is that nurses are being paid way less than market rates; there are ads for like $200+ per hour, but the regular employers don't match that. I don't know if there is an analogy with police officers, but maybe they can do private security?
  - V__ 5y ago
    There is nothing wrong with a union standing by its members. But do nurses investigate themselves? The police does. Can you get banned from the police? They get rehired all the time in a different department. How many nurses get fired when testifying or speaking out against other nurses? Happens to cops all the time. Christopher Dorner himself as well as the manhunt should be enough evidence that something is seriously wrong. > but wouldn't an honest mistake be considered less serious than neglect or abuse usually? I'm sorry if I wasn't more clear but I'm not talking about honest mistakes but neglect and/or abuse. Of course mistakes can happen.
HWR_14 5y ago
Police usually make 3-4x what teachers do and policing in general is a pretty low risk job. In fact, it's probably the best ratio between risk and pay you can get without a college degree.

by gvv 5y ago

xxpor 5y ago

The correct response to that is to stop paying them then. You end up with the same result, but at least they're not wasting money at the same time.

koheripbal 5y ago
I honestly think that people with this attitude should be made to live in a city without police. ...and locked in there.
- xxpor 5y ago
  In any other job you'd be fired immediately for that kind of behavior. Why are cops different?
  - ergocoder 5y ago
    Because of union. The only union republicans support.
    - mansion7 5y ago
      Is that a surprise? It's one of the few major unions that is not outright antagonistic to Republican policies and goals. Republicans see cops as defending them from the outcome of failed liberal policies. Even rich liberals tacitly acknowledge this by hiring their own private police, while they seek to reduce the efficacy of "the public option".
      - ergocoder 5y ago
        It is, especially when many try to push for a union with sound reasoning and etc. Then, the 10 biggest unions in US are like the worst, most unethical, most corrupted organizations in the country.

hotpotamus 5y ago

Not to mention the prevalence of guns. Would you exchange some small arms fire with a few burglars in order to protect someone else’s product?

akomtu 5y ago
SF has banned guns for all practical matters.
- hotpotamus 5y ago
  And how much has that affected access to guns?

V__ 5y ago

You make it sound like there is absolutely no reason for this whatsoever on the side of the police. It's also not really high risk when compared to other jobs which people perceive as more "normal", it 22nd in the US: https://www.facilities.udel.edu/safety/4689/ https://www.facilities.udel.edu/safety/4689/ Average pay is 67k: https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/04/23/police-officer-salary-state/?sh=3b3813e52010 https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/04/23/polic... What other jobs offers that many protections against often times obvious misconduct yet still always "feels" under attack? If a nurse injects the wrong medicine, they are gone. There is no national outcry that nurses are under attack. The extreme opposition against police reform is extremely ridiculous.

perl4ever 5y ago
> If a nurse injects the wrong medicine, they are gone. Um...I don't work in healthcare, but my union includes some, and they definitely try to protect members who get in trouble irrespective of the circumstances. There is a procedure for investigating someone who is accused of mistreating the vulnerable, that ends in putting people on a banned list, (if not prosecuted, etc) and the union has a guide to the minutiae of what someone under investigation is legally required to answer. That's not the same as "injecting the wrong medicine", but wouldn't an honest mistake be considered less serious than neglect or abuse usually? I don't know, just guessing. One thing that seems to be happening right now, is that nurses are being paid way less than market rates; there are ads for like $200+ per hour, but the regular employers don't match that. I don't know if there is an analogy with police officers, but maybe they can do private security?
- V__ 5y ago
  There is nothing wrong with a union standing by its members. But do nurses investigate themselves? The police does. Can you get banned from the police? They get rehired all the time in a different department. How many nurses get fired when testifying or speaking out against other nurses? Happens to cops all the time. Christopher Dorner himself as well as the manhunt should be enough evidence that something is seriously wrong. > but wouldn't an honest mistake be considered less serious than neglect or abuse usually? I'm sorry if I wasn't more clear but I'm not talking about honest mistakes but neglect and/or abuse. Of course mistakes can happen.

HWR_14 5y ago

Police usually make 3-4x what teachers do and policing in general is a pretty low risk job. In fact, it's probably the best ratio between risk and pay you can get without a college degree.