4 ms·

No, the difference is that social media has been very successfully weaponised, by the nation-state/mafia syndicates which communism gave birth to. So successful

by jd115 5y ago

No, the difference is that social media has been very successfully weaponised, by the nation-state/mafia syndicates which communism gave birth to. So successfully, in fact, that it has made traditional warfare practically obsolete. The social networks of today are to the world what the "Pravda" newspaper was to the Eastern Bloc in the 20th century. A weapon of mass subversion. (Oh the magnitude of trolling and shade in the name of that newspaper... Nothing in the past 100 years has surpassed that!)

anon9001 5y ago
This is the right take. Also, every hacker online pre-facebook realized that it wouldn't take that much effort to do social engineering on a mass scale, but there was a brief period before any large organizations actually got involved and started doing it. I think we got a glimpse of something special in the early internet, and I think we can build toward that again.
- codezero 5y ago
  It can’t be built towards unless the nation state actors and bots are accounted for and routed around. I don’t see that happening.
  - jd115 5y ago
    This is a start: https://www.voanews.com/a/australian-government-vows-to-unmask-online-trolls/6330778.html https://www.voanews.com/a/australian-government-vows-to-unma...
    - codezero 5y ago
      I thought that in their case it was to out people who oppose government officials? That seems like the opposite of I’m understanding correctly.
      - PickledHotdog 5y ago
        Correct: "If it’s in the public interest, the Commonwealth can intervene in these cases on the side of the defamed person against the social media company. Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the government would proactively search for such cases to intervene in." Years of cyberbullying didn't spur the government into action. A few choice tweets about politicians did. Though they'll say this is about protecting kids etc
- zozbot234 5y ago
  > I think we got a glimpse of something special in the early internet, and I think we can build toward that again. I mean, you are writing on HN, a specialized community of practice which is the polar opposite from massive social media sites like Facebook or Twitter. And if HN is not exclusive enough for you, there is Lobsters where you need an invite to even post or comment. To me, these dynamics are pretty close to what went on on the "early internet" pre social media. Though it would be nice if federation standards were more widely adopted, to enable optional interop across sites.
dm319 5y ago
Media is a weapon of mass subversion in any society. Look at Murdoch.

by jd115 5y ago

anon9001 5y ago

This is the right take. Also, every hacker online pre-facebook realized that it wouldn't take that much effort to do social engineering on a mass scale, but there was a brief period before any large organizations actually got involved and started doing it. I think we got a glimpse of something special in the early internet, and I think we can build toward that again.

codezero 5y ago
It can’t be built towards unless the nation state actors and bots are accounted for and routed around. I don’t see that happening.
- jd115 5y ago
  This is a start: https://www.voanews.com/a/australian-government-vows-to-unmask-online-trolls/6330778.html https://www.voanews.com/a/australian-government-vows-to-unma...
  - codezero 5y ago
    I thought that in their case it was to out people who oppose government officials? That seems like the opposite of I’m understanding correctly.
    - PickledHotdog 5y ago
      Correct: "If it’s in the public interest, the Commonwealth can intervene in these cases on the side of the defamed person against the social media company. Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the government would proactively search for such cases to intervene in." Years of cyberbullying didn't spur the government into action. A few choice tweets about politicians did. Though they'll say this is about protecting kids etc
zozbot234 5y ago
> I think we got a glimpse of something special in the early internet, and I think we can build toward that again. I mean, you are writing on HN, a specialized community of practice which is the polar opposite from massive social media sites like Facebook or Twitter. And if HN is not exclusive enough for you, there is Lobsters where you need an invite to even post or comment. To me, these dynamics are pretty close to what went on on the "early internet" pre social media. Though it would be nice if federation standards were more widely adopted, to enable optional interop across sites.

dm319 5y ago

Media is a weapon of mass subversion in any society. Look at Murdoch.