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Video shows San Francisco police watching as burglary unfolds
- haspoken 5y agohttps://archive.md/h8u1a https://archive.md/h8u1a
- devtul 5y agoExperts seems to be awfully late to what every John Doe has already figured out, it's easy to be called an expert when there's zero accountability for the expert's advice. If you constantly get stuff wrong, then your opinion is as good as some random person walking the streets.
- Epitom3 5y agoPeople get what they vote for
- mint2 5y agono one voted for the police to boycott their own jobs. Some officers may think the paperwork isn’t worth it or are doing it in protest but it’s not what people voted for.
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- phendrenad2 5y agoNo, but maybe they went to city meetings to protest new prison construction in their area, so the government now needs to find ways to keep the number of people in jail low.
- sudosysgen 5y agoAlright there seems to be a major disconnect here. How does stopping a burglary become impossible if there aren't enough prisons (NOT jails, the two are different). It seems like a total non-sequitur to me.
- phendrenad2 5y agoPolice don't really stop crime, they investigate after the fact. Stopping comes as a side-effect of the government prosecuting criminals and making it not worth it to repeat offend.
- abernard1 5y ago> Some officers may think the paperwork isn’t worth it or are doing it in protest but it’s not what people voted for. But it is. I spent all of 2020 listening to daily edicts on this subject from privileged HR winos in my SF company, while they endorsed riots, and publicly supported criminal trials where it turns out that nope, the criminal was actually the bad guy. Radical chic is temporarily fashionable. It helps make the laptop class feel "they're all in this together" while they're getting care packages of aromatic candles and weekly Calm sessions. But then it's in your backyard and its a problem. Getting rid of Chesa Boudin will not fix this problem, because SF policy is "we don't want this", but if you ask what they do want, it's the same stuff they've been pushing for decades.
- mint2 5y agoI find it highly dubious that any HR endorsed riots, I have never heard of an HR department or really anyone endorse violence. At most I have heard that people understood the frustration. Right to protest yes lots support it, riots and violence never by a major person or hr type. I also find when people post that someone endorsed violence, such as top democrats endorsed it, it’s actually they endorsed the right to protest and condemned violence. Edit: in the briefly posted and then deleted reply to my comment, it was shown to be 100% the case the comment was conflating “we support the right to protest but condemn any violence” with “we support violence” In fact the comment even said: ‘Every company in the Bay Area was "making a statement" on BLM events that were characterized exclusively by massive vandalism and violence.’ Why yes they were making statements, but not in support of violence, they were making statements condemning violence. I work for a Bay Area company, and our ceo like pretty much all companies said “we support people’s right to protest but are against any violence.”
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- ryan_lane 5y agoYou're being manipulated by the police. They're purposely allowing crime to happen so they can point at it and say "this is what happens when you don't support your police". Rather than seeing this as police corruption, you're falling for their propaganda.
- 6sup6 5y agoAny proof to support that accusation?
- ryan_lane 5y agoThe article in question.
- mk81 5y ago"Defund the police!" "ACAB" Crime increases "Fucking police"
- ryan_lane 5y agoThe police weren't defunded, they didn't have staffing cut. If the police are sitting there watching a crime happening, and aren't doing anything about it, they should be fired. Of course, they can't be fired because their union won't let that happen. The correct response here is indeed "Fucking police".
- mk81 5y agoPut yourself in the shoes of an honest, hardworking police man/woman for the past 2 years and tell me honestly what you would do in their situation. I know I would either have already left or be biding my time looking for an exit.
- literallyaduck 5y agoLast year people argued that property rights don't matter and lives are more important. It seems the SFPD is following that practice.
- sudosysgen 5y agoWait what? Burglaries are violent crimes. How is it protecting lives to allow violent crime to happen? We're not talking about shoplifting here.
- koheripbal 5y agoThere is a reason this is happening in SF. The residents asked for less police intervention.
- sudosysgen 5y agoWho in SF asked for the police to stop intervening in violent crimes? The messaging was for the police to intervene less in non-violent crimes. I don't know of anyone that actually wanted the police to stop intervening in violent crime. Can you cite some non-fringe figure that asked for the police to stop intervening in violent crime?
- mansion7 5y agoThat's a trick question. Every SF politician is a fringe figure.
- jhardy54 5y ago> Burglaries are violent crimes. How is it protecting lives to allow violent crime to happen? Depends where you live. In the US robbery is a violent crime, but burglary is generally considered a non-violent property crime.
- unpolloloco 5y agoIf police unions defend officers from all accountability...surprise! They're not accountable to anyone. This means they don't engage when they don't want to and engage with unreasonable force whenever they feel like. We've got the worst of both worlds: cops who both shoot civilians with impunity and don't engage with criminals
- Nicksil 5y ago>If police unions defend officers from all accountability...surprise! They're not accountable to anyone. This means they don't engage when they don't want to and engage with unreasonable force whenever they feel like. We've got the worst of both worlds: cops who both shoot civilians with impunity and don't engage with criminals This is hyperbole.
- sudosysgen 5y agoIt's really not. Sure it doesn't happen every single time but cops very often turn a blind eye to crime, even violent crime, and they often shoot innocents or worse and get away with it.
- koheripbal 5y agoDefending employees, even when they do shitty things, is literally the entire point of unions.
- HWR_14 5y agoThe point of unions is to ensure that the workers, as a whole, are treated fairly. You know, wages, benefits, working conditions, etc. Many unions have negotiated consequences with employers for shitty things. Now, it's true unions usually enforce some rules and procedures to prove the employee did the shitty thing, but that just seems good in general.
- sudosysgen 5y agoWhat other union defends the right of their employees to commit crimes? You know what happened to the longshoremen unions that organized to facilitate crimes by their members? That's right, they were declared as a criminal enterprise under RICO and every single member of the union was guilty of a crime.
- gvv 5y agoImagine doing a high risk, low(ish) paid job where every action you do is now scrutinised and certain politically motivated groups are actively trying to defund you. No wonder they don't feel compelled to intervene.
- xxpor 5y agoThe correct response to that is to stop paying them then. You end up with the same result, but at least they're not wasting money at the same time.
- koheripbal 5y agoI honestly think that people with this attitude should be made to live in a city without police. ...and locked in there.
- xxpor 5y agoIn any other job you'd be fired immediately for that kind of behavior. Why are cops different?
- ergocoder 5y agoBecause of union. The only union republicans support.
- mansion7 5y agoIs that a surprise? It's one of the few major unions that is not outright antagonistic to Republican policies and goals. Republicans see cops as defending them from the outcome of failed liberal policies. Even rich liberals tacitly acknowledge this by hiring their own private police, while they seek to reduce the efficacy of "the public option".
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- 6sup6 5y agoI wonder how many tech heads in here took the time to talk with SFPD police 1-on-1 to understand what is going on with them. Or maybe you just get your news from ideologically possessed publications?
- g42gregory 5y agoWhat are they supposed to do? The DA won’t prosecute. The police does not want the risk of being called racists. And the population keeps voting for the leaders who perpetuate this. At some point, it becomes hard to make a case that local population does not want things to be this way.
- renewiltord 5y agoThis is good. It means we can recover some of the spending by cutting the police budget. After all, if the police will not enforce, then we can just not have them. We can substitute them with lower paid unarmed people in cars with blue or red lights who go around with flashlights. The police budget is at $650+ million. I think I could cut that by a $100 million this year using these techniques. I’m willing to do it for 25% of one year’s worth of savings. If you will increase it to 30%, I can also ensure that the substitutes are trained to say the same things publicly. That way you get the same outcome for less spending.
- g42gregory 5y agoWell, that's all sounds good if the crime keeps happening to "other" people. But what if criminals start coming near your neighborhood? Then what?
- Doxin 5y agoWell clearly then the police will stand around doing nothing. Might as well pick people with a lower salary to stand around and do nothing.
- dTal 5y ago>We can substitute [police] with lower paid unarmed people in cars with blue or red lights who go around with flashlights. That's still police. You don't need lethal force to do police work, ya know?
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- rasengan0 5y agoPerhaps the officers are aware of the legal ramifications of past incidents: https://www.courthousenews.com/san-francisco-settles-suit-over-fatal-police-shooting-of-man-who-cursed-at-cops/ https://www.courthousenews.com/san-francisco-settles-suit-ov... https://www.courthousenews.com/former-cop-charged-with-manslaughter-for-2017-police-shooting-in-san-francisco/ https://www.courthousenews.com/former-cop-charged-with-mansl...
- rasz 5y agoI wouldnt do my job either If I wasnt allowed to shoot people whenever I felt like it.