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C, C++, and Assembly aren't safe, and Java and JS aren't good glue languages.

linkdd 5y ago
So? My point was that if you don't care about safety, C/C++/ASM have good aspects too. I can write a program without a single pointer in C, and it will be fast, small, and portable. Java is used a lot in data science alongside Python. And Javascript also have bindings for Tensorflow and other libs. They are scripting languages able to call C code, by definition they are glue languages.
- treesprite82 5y ago
  > So? Wheelerof5te said Rust is becoming the "world's best *compiled, safe* language". You objected to this, but then only listed alternative languages which aren't in that group. You responded as if Wheelerof5te had claimed there was "an objectively best language period". > They are scripting languages able to call C code, by definition they are glue languages. If I say something like "world's best chef" then I mean the person who is best at being a chef. Not the world's best (most moral?) person who happens to also fulfill the definition of being a chef but may be pretty bad at cooking. I think the same was intended here for "best glue language" - best at being a glue language.
smitty1e 5y ago
Implementing Rust's borrow checker as a C++ compile-time template metaprogramming exercise seems only a guru and a cloud-based compiler cluster out of reach.
- tialaramex 5y ago
  Rust's borrow checker works perfectly well written in Rust without needing a "cloud-based compiler cluster". But I'm guessing what you meant to suppose here would be instead to do this for C++ and that's not going to happen, though it does for some reason seem to be a popular wish of C++ enthusiasts. C++ doesn't express the thing the borrow checker is er... checking. So you'd need to adjust the language, Stroustrup has some sketched proposals about that, but realistically they're years out even if the C++ community was enthusiastic which they are not.
  - smitty1e 5y ago
    It was a semi-tongue-in-cheek observation along the lines of => https://abel.sinkovics.hu/download/metamonad.pdf https://abel.sinkovics.hu/download/metamonad.pdf

So? My point was that if you don't care about safety, C/C++/ASM have good aspects too. I can write a program without a single pointer in C, and it will be fast, small, and portable. Java is used a lot in data science alongside Python. And Javascript also have bindings for Tensorflow and other libs. They are scripting languages able to call C code, by definition they are glue languages.

treesprite82 5y ago
> So? Wheelerof5te said Rust is becoming the "world's best *compiled, safe* language". You objected to this, but then only listed alternative languages which aren't in that group. You responded as if Wheelerof5te had claimed there was "an objectively best language period". > They are scripting languages able to call C code, by definition they are glue languages. If I say something like "world's best chef" then I mean the person who is best at being a chef. Not the world's best (most moral?) person who happens to also fulfill the definition of being a chef but may be pretty bad at cooking. I think the same was intended here for "best glue language" - best at being a glue language.

smitty1e 5y ago

Implementing Rust's borrow checker as a C++ compile-time template metaprogramming exercise seems only a guru and a cloud-based compiler cluster out of reach.

tialaramex 5y ago
Rust's borrow checker works perfectly well written in Rust without needing a "cloud-based compiler cluster". But I'm guessing what you meant to suppose here would be instead to do this for C++ and that's not going to happen, though it does for some reason seem to be a popular wish of C++ enthusiasts. C++ doesn't express the thing the borrow checker is er... checking. So you'd need to adjust the language, Stroustrup has some sketched proposals about that, but realistically they're years out even if the C++ community was enthusiastic which they are not.
- smitty1e 5y ago
  It was a semi-tongue-in-cheek observation along the lines of => https://abel.sinkovics.hu/download/metamonad.pdf https://abel.sinkovics.hu/download/metamonad.pdf