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Not enough social housing and market housing is expensive af. Shelters suck because there's no security and often have loads of restrictions that make them impr

Not enough social housing and market housing is expensive af. Shelters suck because there's no security and often have loads of restrictions that make them impractical for a lot of homeless. How is this a difficult thing? Why is it so difficult in the US to come to the conclusion that other developed countries have come to? The government needs its own housing stock so that it can just house people in expensive cities. Half the population of Hong Kong, capitalist city of the world, lives in either government housing or government subsidized housing. Singapore? 81 percent live in some form of government housing. Buying or building housing stock at either the state or federal level needs to happen in the long term. California is big enough it should be able to do this at the state level and the failure of the state government to do this is embarrassing.

Bostonian 5y ago
The United States has a huge land mass. San Francisco does not. Housing in SF should be allocated based on who needs to live there, which is primarily people who are earning a good income by creating a lot of value. Less productive people have plenty of other places to live. A housing market free of government interference will distribute housing more efficiently.
- Veliladon 5y ago
  Who's going to flip your burger, even for $17/hr, if they have to spend two hours coming all the way from Stockton every morning, genius?
  - jaclaz 5y ago
    Glad you asked this, there are already attempts to disrupt this industry, already at the second generation, Flippy2: https://misorobotics.com/flippy-2/ https://misorobotics.com/flippy-2/
    - hotpotamus 5y ago
      And how much has the Flippy1 disrupted the industry? Does it unload the truck and put food stocks in the freezer? Does it make burgers to order (extra pickles and no tomatoes for instance)? I wonder how many engineers or fast food execs ever actually worked in these kitchens because it doesn’t feel like this is all that ground breaking. Fast food restaurants were designed from the start to produce as much food as possible with a minimum of skilled labor already; 20 years ago I worked in one at the local theme park and they already had a “robot” - basically a broiler with a conveyor belt. You stick frozen pattys and buns in one end and a perfectly cooked burger comes out the other end a few minutes later. Fries weren’t as automated but still was just a matter of dumping some frozen ones into a hopper and pressing a preset timer button. I’d say most of the labor was customer service and cleaning dishes/machines/the kitchen. I’m sure fast food can be made more efficient somehow or other, but it should be realized that that juice has been squeezed a lot already.
      - jaclaz 5y ago
        >And how much has the Flippy1 disrupted the industry? That is exactly the reason why I am calling these "attempts". Not entirely unlike many other presumed "disruptors" these Flippies seem to me like a solution in search of a problem. BTW - at least in industries where robots are already in use - Rule #1 is complete separation between a robotic arm reach and humans, no exceptions, a human can go near a robot only when it is switched off, I believe that is not the case with the Flippy, as it is depicted it looks to me like being a potential safety issue for the other workers in the kitchen.
  - bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
    Eventually, a robot that doesn’t need to commute.
- bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
  San Francisco is roughly 1/6 the size of Singapore and roughly 1/10 the size of Hong Kong. Pop density is ~6.8k/sq km in HK and 8358/sq km in Singapore. In SF that number is under 500/sq km. There are a lot of similarities but also key cultural differences that make that possible. I suspect that Americans won’t accept that level of density - probably because there are more rural opportunities. Look inside the room of some of this government housing in HK. I would gladly rent something like that in SF and it would be a downgrade from my van but I can imagine many of my peers who can’t handle it.[0] [0] https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4585230/amp/Shocking-pictures-reveal-tiny-Hong-Kong-coffin-homes.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...
  - thghtihadanacct 5y ago
    Where did you get 500/sq km? On wikipedia it clearly states 7,194/km2. A number that is more akin to the other cities mentioned. Have you ever been to SF? If SF gets any more dense the bay is going to be a permanent cess pool. Further, the buildings are already sinking. We dont need to build more housing in SF just so people feel they deserve to live there can do so cheaply. There are plenty of other places to live. And if you need someone else to flip burgers for you in SF then you should patronize places that pay a living wage. Also, where did that burger come from? Wasnt raised in SF ... we dont need to concentrate more people in a place that already has all its food shipped there, like Singapore.
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Bostonian 5y ago

The United States has a huge land mass. San Francisco does not. Housing in SF should be allocated based on who needs to live there, which is primarily people who are earning a good income by creating a lot of value. Less productive people have plenty of other places to live. A housing market free of government interference will distribute housing more efficiently.

Veliladon 5y ago
Who's going to flip your burger, even for $17/hr, if they have to spend two hours coming all the way from Stockton every morning, genius?
- jaclaz 5y ago
  Glad you asked this, there are already attempts to disrupt this industry, already at the second generation, Flippy2: https://misorobotics.com/flippy-2/ https://misorobotics.com/flippy-2/
  - hotpotamus 5y ago
    And how much has the Flippy1 disrupted the industry? Does it unload the truck and put food stocks in the freezer? Does it make burgers to order (extra pickles and no tomatoes for instance)? I wonder how many engineers or fast food execs ever actually worked in these kitchens because it doesn’t feel like this is all that ground breaking. Fast food restaurants were designed from the start to produce as much food as possible with a minimum of skilled labor already; 20 years ago I worked in one at the local theme park and they already had a “robot” - basically a broiler with a conveyor belt. You stick frozen pattys and buns in one end and a perfectly cooked burger comes out the other end a few minutes later. Fries weren’t as automated but still was just a matter of dumping some frozen ones into a hopper and pressing a preset timer button. I’d say most of the labor was customer service and cleaning dishes/machines/the kitchen. I’m sure fast food can be made more efficient somehow or other, but it should be realized that that juice has been squeezed a lot already.
    - jaclaz 5y ago
      >And how much has the Flippy1 disrupted the industry? That is exactly the reason why I am calling these "attempts". Not entirely unlike many other presumed "disruptors" these Flippies seem to me like a solution in search of a problem. BTW - at least in industries where robots are already in use - Rule #1 is complete separation between a robotic arm reach and humans, no exceptions, a human can go near a robot only when it is switched off, I believe that is not the case with the Flippy, as it is depicted it looks to me like being a potential safety issue for the other workers in the kitchen.
- bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
  Eventually, a robot that doesn’t need to commute.
bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
San Francisco is roughly 1/6 the size of Singapore and roughly 1/10 the size of Hong Kong. Pop density is ~6.8k/sq km in HK and 8358/sq km in Singapore. In SF that number is under 500/sq km. There are a lot of similarities but also key cultural differences that make that possible. I suspect that Americans won’t accept that level of density - probably because there are more rural opportunities. Look inside the room of some of this government housing in HK. I would gladly rent something like that in SF and it would be a downgrade from my van but I can imagine many of my peers who can’t handle it.[0] [0] https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4585230/amp/Shocking-pictures-reveal-tiny-Hong-Kong-coffin-homes.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...
- thghtihadanacct 5y ago
  Where did you get 500/sq km? On wikipedia it clearly states 7,194/km2. A number that is more akin to the other cities mentioned. Have you ever been to SF? If SF gets any more dense the bay is going to be a permanent cess pool. Further, the buildings are already sinking. We dont need to build more housing in SF just so people feel they deserve to live there can do so cheaply. There are plenty of other places to live. And if you need someone else to flip burgers for you in SF then you should patronize places that pay a living wage. Also, where did that burger come from? Wasnt raised in SF ... we dont need to concentrate more people in a place that already has all its food shipped there, like Singapore.
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