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This variant has 32 mutations on the spike protein alone, and people still think we're going to vaccinate our way out of this? The 'othering' of healthy Wester

This variant has 32 mutations on the spike protein alone, and people still think we're going to vaccinate our way out of this? The 'othering' of healthy Western unvaccinated people has been pushed to encourage compliance in populations that are already 80 or 90 +. % vaccinated... Meanwhile South Africa has about 20% vaccination rate, and even that is relatively very high for the continent. It's abundantly clear that Corona easily travels between countries before being detected, so as long as we're taking two years for a 20% vaccination rate on vaccines that lose a significant amount of effectiveness after a few months, the idea we can vaccinate Corona away is sheer hubris at best. How far are we from a global system of vaccine delivery that can vaccinate 7 billion people within weeks? Even if we do that - can we vaccinate all the animals that are spreading the virus? Among others, that's deer, cats, ferrets, hamsters, primates, minks, tree shrews, raccoon dogs, fruit bats, rabbits, etc. Can we then vaccinate all of those people and animals every six months, and lock them all down? Because that's what's necessary for eradication. Every health professional who tells you otherwise is either ignorant or complicit, far as I can tell. Isn't it time we start prioritizing the protection of the most vulnerable, not just in our backyard but globally? And further, can't we prioritize the willing, rather than trying to enforce medical procedures through coercion and threat? Can't we say at this point that the pharma cunts have acquired enough lucre, and they need to start sharing the health? Only the EU and US governments have a real chance of forcing these issue, and the conversation around doing so is hopelessly lacking in the most basic common sense or decency right now. It's even contractually suppressed. Media companies and politicians have figured that it's expedient to blame all the failings of health systems on unvaccinated people, and the practical science is almost completely removed from the conversation. We all ought to be angry about that,

choeger 5y ago
Yes, we are going to vaccinate our way out of this. Humanity has made tremendous progress in the fight against virus infections the last two years. There is no reason to assume that this progress is already all we got. Can we create and distribute 7B doses in a month? I don't see, why that's impossible. Can we react to mutations quicker than these mutations infect the global population? We have all the right tools. So why is it not already happening, you ask? Because it's only been two years of fighting the virus. We will need some time to reflect on the experience and design a system that works in the next case. But when we play our cards correctly, this might very well be the last respiratory pandemic ever.
- mandmandam 5y ago
  Lol. But even allowing for astoundingly unlikely future advancements, what about the animal reservoirs? And where in the current media narrative are you seeing 7 billion vaccinations as a goal? What about people who don't want a medical procedure against their will? And how in the world do you think we'll get there with the state of IP legislation? Where's the discussion on that? I love the optimism bud, but can we be a little realistic here please.
  - choeger 5y ago
    You keep throwing stuff together, seemingly without understanding the terms you use. There's no media pushing for 7B because there's no global medium. If you count the nation-wide newspapers and add the numbers you'll end up with about 7B, modulo nations that have no free media, of course. People that don't want vaccinations will at some point be treated like people that don't want blood transfusion. Sad, but it's their choice. IP legislation has nothing to do with any lack of doses. The BionTech vaccine could be manufactured in one plant for world-wide consumption, if needed. The current pace is dictated by supply chain constraints, manufacturing setup effort, orders, and distribution. Any other vendor would face the very se issue. If someone would want to order an additional billion of doses, BionTech/Pfizer could certainly deliver. In fact, there are so many ways to code the spike protein that there's no way IP is preventing other vendors from setting up a competing product. It's manufacturing experience that makes the difference now.
    - mandmandam 5y ago
      I am quite careful to understand the words I use. Your lack of specifics makes it hard to know what you mean though. > there's no global medium ... He said on the internet. > People that don't want vaccinations will at some point be treated like people that don't want blood transfusion. Glad to hear you say this, but didn't you also just say that eradicating the virus by vaccinating 7 billion people is possible and to be aimed for? > IP legislation has nothing to do with any lack of doses. It sure does. https://www.citizen.org/article/pfizers-power/ https://www.citizen.org/article/pfizers-power/ I suggest you start trying a little harder to understand what I'm saying before arguing or saying I don't know what I mean. And, until you address the issue of animal reservoirs your entire argument has a planet sized hole in it.

choeger 5y ago

Yes, we are going to vaccinate our way out of this. Humanity has made tremendous progress in the fight against virus infections the last two years. There is no reason to assume that this progress is already all we got. Can we create and distribute 7B doses in a month? I don't see, why that's impossible. Can we react to mutations quicker than these mutations infect the global population? We have all the right tools. So why is it not already happening, you ask? Because it's only been two years of fighting the virus. We will need some time to reflect on the experience and design a system that works in the next case. But when we play our cards correctly, this might very well be the last respiratory pandemic ever.

mandmandam 5y ago
Lol. But even allowing for astoundingly unlikely future advancements, what about the animal reservoirs? And where in the current media narrative are you seeing 7 billion vaccinations as a goal? What about people who don't want a medical procedure against their will? And how in the world do you think we'll get there with the state of IP legislation? Where's the discussion on that? I love the optimism bud, but can we be a little realistic here please.
- choeger 5y ago
  You keep throwing stuff together, seemingly without understanding the terms you use. There's no media pushing for 7B because there's no global medium. If you count the nation-wide newspapers and add the numbers you'll end up with about 7B, modulo nations that have no free media, of course. People that don't want vaccinations will at some point be treated like people that don't want blood transfusion. Sad, but it's their choice. IP legislation has nothing to do with any lack of doses. The BionTech vaccine could be manufactured in one plant for world-wide consumption, if needed. The current pace is dictated by supply chain constraints, manufacturing setup effort, orders, and distribution. Any other vendor would face the very se issue. If someone would want to order an additional billion of doses, BionTech/Pfizer could certainly deliver. In fact, there are so many ways to code the spike protein that there's no way IP is preventing other vendors from setting up a competing product. It's manufacturing experience that makes the difference now.
  - mandmandam 5y ago
    I am quite careful to understand the words I use. Your lack of specifics makes it hard to know what you mean though. > there's no global medium ... He said on the internet. > People that don't want vaccinations will at some point be treated like people that don't want blood transfusion. Glad to hear you say this, but didn't you also just say that eradicating the virus by vaccinating 7 billion people is possible and to be aimed for? > IP legislation has nothing to do with any lack of doses. It sure does. https://www.citizen.org/article/pfizers-power/ https://www.citizen.org/article/pfizers-power/ I suggest you start trying a little harder to understand what I'm saying before arguing or saying I don't know what I mean. And, until you address the issue of animal reservoirs your entire argument has a planet sized hole in it.