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> The idea that the car might randomly override my inputs in error I don’t recall ever saying anything like this happened. My discussion about phantom braking

by csa 5y ago

> The idea that the car might randomly override my inputs in error I don’t recall ever saying anything like this happened. My discussion about phantom braking is when autopilot is on. There is no input from me unless I have to or choose to take over. If you don’t want any of the automatic features (autopilot, lane assist, FSD, etc.), they are all trivially easy to turn off or not use. Seriously, just go drive one. The way you talk about a Tesla, as though it will just yoink control at any moment from someone who wants full control, is about as far as you can get from the reality. The idea of “tolerating” undesired behavior in a driver assist process in a car seems… pretty normal? That’s why settings exist — you don’t have to tolerate anything that passes your own tolerance threshold. I don’t know how many folks you know in real life who actually drive teslas, but the narrative that you describe and the narrative that the people I know who own and drive teslas are about as far apart as it can get. [1] [1] There is a caveat that folks who bought new models right after they were released had a lot of build issues. That’s pretty unforgivable from the Tesla side, imho. That said, it’s a known issue. Let other people guinea pig the new models. Tesla eventually gets it very right.

unclebucknasty 5y ago
>My discussion about phantom braking is when autopilot is on...trivially easy to turn off Seems odd to have to disable features based, not on one's preferences, but on one's tolerance for errors, especially given that--even without full autopilot enabled--some of those features would be considered active safety features. "This feature can help keep you safe, but it also might make mistakes, so tap here if you don't want to roll the dice". In any case, my main point was around the fact that people have such a wide tolerance for errors. I think it's interesting and I was suggesting that it's something more intrinsic to the individual, which I believe is one reason people's opinions on Tesla seem to be "polarized". You'll probably never see those errors as a big deal. I'll probably never see them as not a big deal. >I don’t know how many folks you know in real life who actually drive teslas, but the narrative that you describe... I know a few. I don't really talk about their cars with them. And, in any case, it seems like their experiences would vary based on which models/years/updates they've experienced, which features they use and, of course, their tolerance for errors and other problems. In general, I never really considered that I have a Tesla "narrative". If I owned one I might care enough to have one. My only concern is that the company is too cavalier about safety issues, to include the name "Autopilot" itself, which seems to want the cachet of what the term implies without the responsibility that comes with people trusting it.
- csa 5y ago
  Fwiw, the absolutely bizarre way you’re talking about Teslas in these comments is a narrative. Your creative narrative here is… interesting. Best of luck moving forward.
  - unclebucknasty 5y ago
    >the absolutely bizarre way you’re talking about Teslas in these comments is a narrative. Yeah, I think what's bizarre here is that your own narrative is so important to you that you can't stomach even the mildest critism of Tesla without feeling personally attacked, or even imagine anyone not having a Tesla "narrative". So, of course, the fact that you charge people with having a narrative is in itself bizzare. Then, you casually make these odd statements like, "I don't know if you know anyone in real life who has a Tesla", as if it's a unicorn vs. a fairly common motor vehicle. It's very much a marketing-fueled "us vs. them" worldview you seem to have there around a car. Tesla ownership is clearly an important part of your identity, which may also help explain why you're motoring around with "Autopilot" on and not a care in the world that the vehicle is making errors and braking when it shouldn't. Best of luck with that. Seriously.

by csa 5y ago

unclebucknasty 5y ago

>My discussion about phantom braking is when autopilot is on...trivially easy to turn off Seems odd to have to disable features based, not on one's preferences, but on one's tolerance for errors, especially given that--even without full autopilot enabled--some of those features would be considered active safety features. "This feature can help keep you safe, but it also might make mistakes, so tap here if you don't want to roll the dice". In any case, my main point was around the fact that people have such a wide tolerance for errors. I think it's interesting and I was suggesting that it's something more intrinsic to the individual, which I believe is one reason people's opinions on Tesla seem to be "polarized". You'll probably never see those errors as a big deal. I'll probably never see them as not a big deal. >I don’t know how many folks you know in real life who actually drive teslas, but the narrative that you describe... I know a few. I don't really talk about their cars with them. And, in any case, it seems like their experiences would vary based on which models/years/updates they've experienced, which features they use and, of course, their tolerance for errors and other problems. In general, I never really considered that I have a Tesla "narrative". If I owned one I might care enough to have one. My only concern is that the company is too cavalier about safety issues, to include the name "Autopilot" itself, which seems to want the cachet of what the term implies without the responsibility that comes with people trusting it.

csa 5y ago
Fwiw, the absolutely bizarre way you’re talking about Teslas in these comments is a narrative. Your creative narrative here is… interesting. Best of luck moving forward.
- unclebucknasty 5y ago
  >the absolutely bizarre way you’re talking about Teslas in these comments is a narrative. Yeah, I think what's bizarre here is that your own narrative is so important to you that you can't stomach even the mildest critism of Tesla without feeling personally attacked, or even imagine anyone not having a Tesla "narrative". So, of course, the fact that you charge people with having a narrative is in itself bizzare. Then, you casually make these odd statements like, "I don't know if you know anyone in real life who has a Tesla", as if it's a unicorn vs. a fairly common motor vehicle. It's very much a marketing-fueled "us vs. them" worldview you seem to have there around a car. Tesla ownership is clearly an important part of your identity, which may also help explain why you're motoring around with "Autopilot" on and not a care in the world that the vehicle is making errors and braking when it shouldn't. Best of luck with that. Seriously.