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We seem to speak different languages. In my language non strictly enforced mask mandates, mild social distancing, and vaccine mandates for approved vaccines tha

by mint2 5y ago

We seem to speak different languages. In my language non strictly enforced mask mandates, mild social distancing, and vaccine mandates for approved vaccines that do actually provide solid protection (while yes not complete protection, this was not promised btw) sounds highly reasonable. You seem to say those measure mean authoritarianism you. Thus we speak different languages. I could talk in my own language, writing pages on my beliefs, but unless I spend a huge amount of research to write it in your language, it’s pointless.

hagbard_c 5y ago
Why, yes, a vaccination mandate using an experimental vaccine for a disease which is not a significant risk for a large part of those who would actually be forced to take those vaccines given that those for whom SARS2 is a risk mostly have been vaccinated by now and where those vaccines do not give significant protection against catching or spreading the disease is not reasonable. I suspect you would have not called this reasonable before the pandemic hit but were scared into accepting a "new normal" for 'the greater good of society". Calling the vaccines "approved" is playing with words, compare what it normally takes to get approval for a bog-standard vaccine with how this novel mRNA vaccine was "approved" to see what I'm getting at, consider that there is no long-term experience with either mRNA vaccines in humans nor this specific vaccine based around the (known to be harmful [1,2,3,4]) "spike protein". Realise that the method of action for these vaccines (whether mRNA or vector-based) is to induce your body to produce just that harmful spike protein and consider the potential for damage, especially in combination with the untargeted delivery mechanism - nano-lipid particles carrying mRNA fragments, targeting is done by injecting into muscle tissue and as such wholly depends on the accuracy of the injection - my wife could hardly move her arm for a week after an inaccurately (too high) placed first dose of "Moderna SpikeVax". Do we speak a different language? That is possible, language is malleable and words change their meaning. This tends to be an evolutionary process which takes a significant amount of time. Changing the definition of words and concepts in a mere few months is not evolutionary but revolutionary, this is not a natural process. I'll stick to evolution instead of revolution. [1] https://www.contagionlive.com/view/spike-protein-of-sars-cov-2-virus-alone-can-cause-damage-to-lungs https://www.contagionlive.com/view/spike-protein-of-sars-cov... [2] https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-sars-cov-spike-protein-lung.html https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-sars-cov-spike-protei... [3] https://www.drugtargetreview.com/news/90224/gene-changes-caused-by-spike-protein-could-explain-long-covid/ https://www.drugtargetreview.com/news/90224/gene-changes-cau... [4] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100279/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100279/

by mint2 5y ago

hagbard_c 5y ago

Why, yes, a vaccination mandate using an experimental vaccine for a disease which is not a significant risk for a large part of those who would actually be forced to take those vaccines given that those for whom SARS2 is a risk mostly have been vaccinated by now and where those vaccines do not give significant protection against catching or spreading the disease is not reasonable. I suspect you would have not called this reasonable before the pandemic hit but were scared into accepting a "new normal" for 'the greater good of society". Calling the vaccines "approved" is playing with words, compare what it normally takes to get approval for a bog-standard vaccine with how this novel mRNA vaccine was "approved" to see what I'm getting at, consider that there is no long-term experience with either mRNA vaccines in humans nor this specific vaccine based around the (known to be harmful [1,2,3,4]) "spike protein". Realise that the method of action for these vaccines (whether mRNA or vector-based) is to induce your body to produce just that harmful spike protein and consider the potential for damage, especially in combination with the untargeted delivery mechanism - nano-lipid particles carrying mRNA fragments, targeting is done by injecting into muscle tissue and as such wholly depends on the accuracy of the injection - my wife could hardly move her arm for a week after an inaccurately (too high) placed first dose of "Moderna SpikeVax". Do we speak a different language? That is possible, language is malleable and words change their meaning. This tends to be an evolutionary process which takes a significant amount of time. Changing the definition of words and concepts in a mere few months is not evolutionary but revolutionary, this is not a natural process. I'll stick to evolution instead of revolution. [1] https://www.contagionlive.com/view/spike-protein-of-sars-cov-2-virus-alone-can-cause-damage-to-lungs https://www.contagionlive.com/view/spike-protein-of-sars-cov... [2] https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-sars-cov-spike-protein-lung.html https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-sars-cov-spike-protei... [3] https://www.drugtargetreview.com/news/90224/gene-changes-caused-by-spike-protein-could-explain-long-covid/ https://www.drugtargetreview.com/news/90224/gene-changes-cau... [4] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100279/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100279/