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> Anyone remember when Github took down youtube-dl? I would blame the law (DMCA), not those forced to abide by the law (Github)

Teever 5y ago
Your argument is pure sophistry. Microsoft is a member of the RIAA and works closely with the MPAA to further control over society with DRM and intellectual property restrictions like the DMCA. It is well within the power of an entity the size of Microsoft to oppose something like the DMCA and the fact that they don't indicates not that they can't as you imply, but that they don't want to.
skeeter2020 5y ago
Especially because they worked to try and make sure this wouldn't happen again.
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kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
The law also permits content to be restored immediately upon receipt of a counternotice. Somehow the data silos never get around to supporting that.
- anchpop 5y ago
  twitch actually does do that IIRC, not sure about others
- zinekeller 5y ago
  GitHub can't, until at least the the public support is in their favour, because legally it's a hot water. This is not your ordinary copyright DMCA Complaint, this is the section 1201 concerning circumvention, which is held to a different standard. This is essentially RIAA telling GitHub "if you're not stopping this, we'll see you (not the YT-DL developers) in court".
  - roastedpeacock 5y ago
    > GitHub can't, until at least the the public support is in their favour Public support on which grounds?
- d1sxeyes 5y ago
  I can’t see any evidence a counter notice was filed until the EFF got involved, at which point GitHub immediately reinstated YouTube-dl. Did GH ignore a counter notice?
roastedpeacock 5y ago
It was an unfortunate situation. I don't entirely know how GitHub handled things before the Microsoft acquisition but it also wouldn't surprise me if Microsofts legal department is more risk adverse compared to GitHub internal. > I would blame the law (DMCA), not those forced to abide by the law (Github) It seems even in the context of US-based companies that some companies are a little more "trigger-happy" with DMCA and other claims compared to others.
dandotway 5y ago
Laws need teeth to be enforced. It used to be illegal to harbor runaway slaves, or to be a Catholic priest in Protestant England. So people built cleverly hidden Priest Holes[1] in houses to hide. But you can't really build the equivalent of a Priest Hole within Github, because Github is not your house, but rather your lord's castle. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_hole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_hole
boogies 5y ago
> blame the law (DMCA), not those forced to abide by the law (Github) What about those abusing [a misrepresentation of] the law (the RIAA) and the members who pay their dues (Microsoft)?

Teever 5y ago

Your argument is pure sophistry. Microsoft is a member of the RIAA and works closely with the MPAA to further control over society with DRM and intellectual property restrictions like the DMCA. It is well within the power of an entity the size of Microsoft to oppose something like the DMCA and the fact that they don't indicates not that they can't as you imply, but that they don't want to.

skeeter2020 5y ago

Especially because they worked to try and make sure this wouldn't happen again.

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kevin_thibedeau 5y ago

The law also permits content to be restored immediately upon receipt of a counternotice. Somehow the data silos never get around to supporting that.

anchpop 5y ago
twitch actually does do that IIRC, not sure about others
zinekeller 5y ago
GitHub can't, until at least the the public support is in their favour, because legally it's a hot water. This is not your ordinary copyright DMCA Complaint, this is the section 1201 concerning circumvention, which is held to a different standard. This is essentially RIAA telling GitHub "if you're not stopping this, we'll see you (not the YT-DL developers) in court".
- roastedpeacock 5y ago
  > GitHub can't, until at least the the public support is in their favour Public support on which grounds?
d1sxeyes 5y ago
I can’t see any evidence a counter notice was filed until the EFF got involved, at which point GitHub immediately reinstated YouTube-dl. Did GH ignore a counter notice?

roastedpeacock 5y ago

It was an unfortunate situation. I don't entirely know how GitHub handled things before the Microsoft acquisition but it also wouldn't surprise me if Microsofts legal department is more risk adverse compared to GitHub internal. > I would blame the law (DMCA), not those forced to abide by the law (Github) It seems even in the context of US-based companies that some companies are a little more "trigger-happy" with DMCA and other claims compared to others.

dandotway 5y ago

Laws need teeth to be enforced. It used to be illegal to harbor runaway slaves, or to be a Catholic priest in Protestant England. So people built cleverly hidden Priest Holes[1] in houses to hide. But you can't really build the equivalent of a Priest Hole within Github, because Github is not your house, but rather your lord's castle. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_hole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_hole

boogies 5y ago

> blame the law (DMCA), not those forced to abide by the law (Github) What about those abusing [a misrepresentation of] the law (the RIAA) and the members who pay their dues (Microsoft)?