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The cameras in a Tesla are not 576mp (which is the closest approximation or estimate of our eyes), and nor do they have 21 stops of dynamic range (same). And t

The cameras in a Tesla are not 576mp (which is the closest approximation or estimate of our eyes), and nor do they have 21 stops of dynamic range (same). And they also don't have 16+ years, minimum, of 24/7 "non-machine learning" to augment their judgment.

jefftk 5y ago
That's not even counting the generations of evolution that went into pre-training the neural structure
dillondoyle 5y ago
This source says they are only 1280×960 which ML reduces to 160x120 depth grid? Seems crazily low resolution to me and also somewhat amazing they can do what they can with that (which I think doesn't matter much as it's still scary if they can't avoid obvious concrete obstacles or do the opposite brake ing op says) https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1412597377228226562 https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1412597377228226562 https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/bgqekv/what_is_the_model_3s_camera_resolution/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/bgqekv/what_is...
- muglug 5y ago
  Yeah, humans with eyesight that bad are not allowed on the road (for good reason).
  - stefan_ 5y ago
    Not a lot of those around at age 16, which is the last time anyone cares to check.
ravi-delia 5y ago
Our eyes are only really high resolution in a tiny patch, and after some initial learning most of vision is a solved problem by the age of 3. That's not to say that Tesla is any closer to using cameras and machine learning to replicate human vision, just pointing out the comparison doesn't really make sense. There's no reason to think that 576mp cameras and 16 years of training are necessary or sufficient. We'll just have to wait and find out.
growt 5y ago
I disagree with your second paragraph. Not all of your first 16 years are spent in driving situations (especially not 24h a day) but Tesla’s have driven many years in total and almost all of them can be applied to improve the AI running in all the cars.
- adam_arthur 5y ago
  Anybody familiar with the design Tesla uses for self driving? Do they simply input video clips of common scenarios and what the correct output should be? Is it just a single neural net, or are there rules hard coded in? Multiple neural nets handling different things? I assume there are many approaches to automated driving that are effectively dead ends. But would be interesting if just having enough video clips/correct corresponding behavior was enough to build a fully functioning model.
  - belltaco 5y ago
    https://youtu.be/j0z4FweCy4M?t=2795 https://youtu.be/j0z4FweCy4M?t=2795

jefftk 5y ago

That's not even counting the generations of evolution that went into pre-training the neural structure

dillondoyle 5y ago

This source says they are only 1280×960 which ML reduces to 160x120 depth grid? Seems crazily low resolution to me and also somewhat amazing they can do what they can with that (which I think doesn't matter much as it's still scary if they can't avoid obvious concrete obstacles or do the opposite brake ing op says) https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1412597377228226562 https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1412597377228226562 https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/bgqekv/what_is_the_model_3s_camera_resolution/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/bgqekv/what_is...

muglug 5y ago
Yeah, humans with eyesight that bad are not allowed on the road (for good reason).
- stefan_ 5y ago
  Not a lot of those around at age 16, which is the last time anyone cares to check.

ravi-delia 5y ago

Our eyes are only really high resolution in a tiny patch, and after some initial learning most of vision is a solved problem by the age of 3. That's not to say that Tesla is any closer to using cameras and machine learning to replicate human vision, just pointing out the comparison doesn't really make sense. There's no reason to think that 576mp cameras and 16 years of training are necessary or sufficient. We'll just have to wait and find out.

growt 5y ago

I disagree with your second paragraph. Not all of your first 16 years are spent in driving situations (especially not 24h a day) but Tesla’s have driven many years in total and almost all of them can be applied to improve the AI running in all the cars.

adam_arthur 5y ago
Anybody familiar with the design Tesla uses for self driving? Do they simply input video clips of common scenarios and what the correct output should be? Is it just a single neural net, or are there rules hard coded in? Multiple neural nets handling different things? I assume there are many approaches to automated driving that are effectively dead ends. But would be interesting if just having enough video clips/correct corresponding behavior was enough to build a fully functioning model.
- belltaco 5y ago
  https://youtu.be/j0z4FweCy4M?t=2795 https://youtu.be/j0z4FweCy4M?t=2795