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Endless variants, endless boosters, endless profits. No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. Having broad and long-lasting antibody and T-cell immunity

Endless variants, endless boosters, endless profits. No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. Having broad and long-lasting antibody and T-cell immunity is bad for profits and continuing this state of affairs.

thecleaner 5y ago
> No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. Having broad and long-lasting antibody and T-cell immunity is bad for profits and continuing this state of affairs. What's this based on ? Is there some R-value or Mortality ratio at which natural immunity is better ? Besides vaccines are cheap, nowehere expensive enough to put a dent in people's pockets.
cinntaile 5y ago
If someone could make a vaccine that worked forever they would.
joshuaissac 5y ago
> No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. What does this mean? Who or what is suppressing natural immunity? SARS-CoV-2? Some country's government? Some company?
- Mountain_Skies 5y ago
  The US government continues to refuse to recognize naturally acquired immunity as valid. You can lose your job if you've recovered from COVID19 but do not get the vaccine. There's no reasonable excuse for doing this.
  - downrightmike 5y ago
    BECUASE IT ISN'T VALID More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-i...
  - odonnellryan 5y ago
    There are plenty of governments who are not great friends of the US. Why do they also suppress this information?
scrollaway 5y ago
Suppressed by whom? You think eg. my local belgian government has a vested interest in butchering its own economy so some american drug company can make profits? Or is it more likely that they're pushing vaccines over natural immunity because the former doesn't involve furthering spread and risk of hospitalization as a prerequisite for getting it? Please think before going full tinfoil.
- proc0 5y ago
  It's being suppressed by information outlets of all kinds. Authorities in the U.S. have admitted they need to "look into it", even though we're already in this about two years now. > You think eg. my local belgian government has a vested interest in butchering its own economy so some american drug company can make profits? Yes. Politicians are corrupt, welcome to the shitty nature of human beings. They will misbehave and commit atrocities over and over again, as proven by history. I don't think we've entered a special time in history where people in power are somehow immune to corruption now. This has already happened in Australia, with that one politician stepping down because she had received money from the pharma companies. Why wouldn't more of them be in that situation? > Or is it more likely that they're pushing vaccines over natural immunity because the former doesn't involve furthering spread and risk of hospitalization as a prerequisite for getting it? Vaccines use one's natural immunity. Furthermore, why isn't it a solution to expand hospital care, and/or take that care to people's homes? After all, we can clearly see the vax does not eliminate the chance of landing in the hospital, and places with 90%+ vax are still seeing spikes. There is clearly a focus of pushing the vax at all costs.
  - hooper_ 5y ago
    > This has already happened in Australia, with that one politician stepping down because she had received money from the pharma companies. As an Australian, I'd like to know more about this? If your referring to Gladys Berejiklian (Ex-Premier of NSW) stepping down, that had nothing to do with Big Pharma [1][2]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-gladysberejiklian-investigatio-idUSL1N2R423S https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-gladysberejiklian-... [2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/nsw-premier-gladys-berejiklian-resignation-icac-explained/100507412 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/nsw-premier-gladys-be...
odonnellryan 5y ago
Natural immunity isn't being suppressed. We learned from prior viruses that it is generally not a good idea to seek out infection. You're hearing a lot about covid because it has a massive impact on society. I really don't think you'd say other preventative treatments are a bad thing because people profit from making them?
dang 5y ago
Since you've continued to use HN for ideological battle and ignored our request to stop, I've banned the account. Regardless of your views, comments here need to be higher-quality than this sort of shallow, inflamed stuff. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

thecleaner 5y ago

> No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. Having broad and long-lasting antibody and T-cell immunity is bad for profits and continuing this state of affairs. What's this based on ? Is there some R-value or Mortality ratio at which natural immunity is better ? Besides vaccines are cheap, nowehere expensive enough to put a dent in people's pockets.

cinntaile 5y ago

If someone could make a vaccine that worked forever they would.

joshuaissac 5y ago

> No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. What does this mean? Who or what is suppressing natural immunity? SARS-CoV-2? Some country's government? Some company?

Mountain_Skies 5y ago
The US government continues to refuse to recognize naturally acquired immunity as valid. You can lose your job if you've recovered from COVID19 but do not get the vaccine. There's no reasonable excuse for doing this.
- downrightmike 5y ago
  BECUASE IT ISN'T VALID More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-i...
- odonnellryan 5y ago
  There are plenty of governments who are not great friends of the US. Why do they also suppress this information?

scrollaway 5y ago

Suppressed by whom? You think eg. my local belgian government has a vested interest in butchering its own economy so some american drug company can make profits? Or is it more likely that they're pushing vaccines over natural immunity because the former doesn't involve furthering spread and risk of hospitalization as a prerequisite for getting it? Please think before going full tinfoil.

proc0 5y ago
It's being suppressed by information outlets of all kinds. Authorities in the U.S. have admitted they need to "look into it", even though we're already in this about two years now. > You think eg. my local belgian government has a vested interest in butchering its own economy so some american drug company can make profits? Yes. Politicians are corrupt, welcome to the shitty nature of human beings. They will misbehave and commit atrocities over and over again, as proven by history. I don't think we've entered a special time in history where people in power are somehow immune to corruption now. This has already happened in Australia, with that one politician stepping down because she had received money from the pharma companies. Why wouldn't more of them be in that situation? > Or is it more likely that they're pushing vaccines over natural immunity because the former doesn't involve furthering spread and risk of hospitalization as a prerequisite for getting it? Vaccines use one's natural immunity. Furthermore, why isn't it a solution to expand hospital care, and/or take that care to people's homes? After all, we can clearly see the vax does not eliminate the chance of landing in the hospital, and places with 90%+ vax are still seeing spikes. There is clearly a focus of pushing the vax at all costs.
- hooper_ 5y ago
  > This has already happened in Australia, with that one politician stepping down because she had received money from the pharma companies. As an Australian, I'd like to know more about this? If your referring to Gladys Berejiklian (Ex-Premier of NSW) stepping down, that had nothing to do with Big Pharma [1][2]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-gladysberejiklian-investigatio-idUSL1N2R423S https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-gladysberejiklian-... [2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/nsw-premier-gladys-berejiklian-resignation-icac-explained/100507412 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/nsw-premier-gladys-be...

odonnellryan 5y ago

Natural immunity isn't being suppressed. We learned from prior viruses that it is generally not a good idea to seek out infection. You're hearing a lot about covid because it has a massive impact on society. I really don't think you'd say other preventative treatments are a bad thing because people profit from making them?

dang 5y ago

Since you've continued to use HN for ideological battle and ignored our request to stop, I've banned the account. Regardless of your views, comments here need to be higher-quality than this sort of shallow, inflamed stuff. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html