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> This narrative has nothing to do with reality, because vaccinated people spread covid, too. But not as a result of acquiring immunity.

by a3n 5y ago

Bobylonian 5y ago
IT people are very specific in their terms and biology and medicine terms are not as specific. I feel, that this is the main issue when talking about medicine, that terms are different. Doctors are not gods, they can't save everyone - essentially you should avoid ANY situation, where you are dependant on doctor(besides, they make err themselves, too and can kill completelly healthy person with their decisions - stuff just happens...) and that is the job of your immunity. Your overall immunity is more complicated, than antibodies against covid and where covid vaccination was meant to be quick and dirty and deal with covid quickly(before it starts to mutate) - that did not happen. Good immunity has main jobs: 1. repel and quickly eliminate invaders(which is general common understanding of what immunity means) 2. realize, when the battle is lost and SURRENDER AND/OR COEXIST with infection and hope, that infection is as "sensible" and does not kill host Natural immunity in medicine does not mean, that organism can't be infected, but how it can deal with infection AND at the same time not to cause organism to die. So, with great immunity YOU CAN STILL GET INFECTED AND SPREAD INFECTION!!! This is what vaccination pushers don't understand. Besides, the natural IMMUNITY here IS NOT A CONCERN OF OTHERS and should not be, but only about host organism. In the small world of genes(as a part of immunity) and viruses there simply is no understanding of the outside world and other hosts. We all are unique - your immunity will differ from immunity of other people in an unique way. There is no way to make them all the same. That is the main mechanism of survival, where working immunity is bare minimum to survive and those who does not have it are meant to die. When you get older, your immunity gets weaker. This is the way.
Bobylonian 5y ago
>But not as a result of acquiring immunity. The solution to this is very simple. If you want someone to be held accountable, you have to sue this person. Good luck in suing someone who is vaccinated and to be fair, I can't see this go well against someone who is not vaccinated. Everything has to be according to the law and law so far restricts someone who knowingly (vaccinated or not!)with covid symptoms contacted others, but can not held accountable for someone who had covid and did not thought of those symptoms as covid related. Even if it is not clear, from reading about covid cases I would think, that humans are not the only ones who could transfer covid to other humans, but also animals - including birds, might be able to do so as well. There is a conflicting idea, that covid HAS TO JUMP ACROSS SPECIES, which means that it should mutate... well, we do not know if current mutations are results of that, but certainly there is no need to mutate for a covid to infect animal and then the same strain infects human. So, if that is the case(and I am 90% sure, that it might be so), human vaccination(and I am refering here to some vaccine, that actually works in fighting covid, not boosting immunity to fight covid) against covid might not be enough. So, are you going to blame your pet, where you can't get a vaccine for him?
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> This narrative has nothing to do with reality, because vaccinated people spread covid, too. But not as a result of acquiring immunity.

by a3n 5y ago

> This narrative has nothing to do with reality, because vaccinated people spread covid, too. But not as a result of acquiring immunity.

Bobylonian 5y ago

IT people are very specific in their terms and biology and medicine terms are not as specific. I feel, that this is the main issue when talking about medicine, that terms are different. Doctors are not gods, they can't save everyone - essentially you should avoid ANY situation, where you are dependant on doctor(besides, they make err themselves, too and can kill completelly healthy person with their decisions - stuff just happens...) and that is the job of your immunity. Your overall immunity is more complicated, than antibodies against covid and where covid vaccination was meant to be quick and dirty and deal with covid quickly(before it starts to mutate) - that did not happen. Good immunity has main jobs: 1. repel and quickly eliminate invaders(which is general common understanding of what immunity means) 2. realize, when the battle is lost and SURRENDER AND/OR COEXIST with infection and hope, that infection is as "sensible" and does not kill host Natural immunity in medicine does not mean, that organism can't be infected, but how it can deal with infection AND at the same time not to cause organism to die. So, with great immunity YOU CAN STILL GET INFECTED AND SPREAD INFECTION!!! This is what vaccination pushers don't understand. Besides, the natural IMMUNITY here IS NOT A CONCERN OF OTHERS and should not be, but only about host organism. In the small world of genes(as a part of immunity) and viruses there simply is no understanding of the outside world and other hosts. We all are unique - your immunity will differ from immunity of other people in an unique way. There is no way to make them all the same. That is the main mechanism of survival, where working immunity is bare minimum to survive and those who does not have it are meant to die. When you get older, your immunity gets weaker. This is the way.

Bobylonian 5y ago

>But not as a result of acquiring immunity. The solution to this is very simple. If you want someone to be held accountable, you have to sue this person. Good luck in suing someone who is vaccinated and to be fair, I can't see this go well against someone who is not vaccinated. Everything has to be according to the law and law so far restricts someone who knowingly (vaccinated or not!)with covid symptoms contacted others, but can not held accountable for someone who had covid and did not thought of those symptoms as covid related. Even if it is not clear, from reading about covid cases I would think, that humans are not the only ones who could transfer covid to other humans, but also animals - including birds, might be able to do so as well. There is a conflicting idea, that covid HAS TO JUMP ACROSS SPECIES, which means that it should mutate... well, we do not know if current mutations are results of that, but certainly there is no need to mutate for a covid to infect animal and then the same strain infects human. So, if that is the case(and I am 90% sure, that it might be so), human vaccination(and I am refering here to some vaccine, that actually works in fighting covid, not boosting immunity to fight covid) against covid might not be enough. So, are you going to blame your pet, where you can't get a vaccine for him?

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