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Czech Republic data from ÚZIS report from 27.11. New covid cases: 13736 - nonvaccinated, no previous covid 6579 - vaccinated, no previous covid 493 - nonvac

by zycon 5y ago

Czech Republic data from ÚZIS report from 27.11. New covid cases: 13736 - nonvaccinated, no previous covid 6579 - vaccinated, no previous covid 493 - nonvaccinated, already had covid 185 - vaccinated, already had covid Current covid hospitalizations: 3302 - nonvaccinated, no previous covid (607 in ICU) 2777 - vaccinated, no previous covid (264 in ICU) 44 - nonvaccinated, already had covid (3 in ICU) 46 - vaccinated, already had covid (3 in ICU) Source: https://twitter.com/dostalondrej/status/1464533409515114502 https://twitter.com/dostalondrej/status/1464533409515114502 a report for the Czech MPs and senators from the Institute of Health Information and Statistics of the Czech Republic (ÚZIS) The data speak for themselves.

sschueller 5y ago
The stats in Zürich Switzerland are very similar. Even though it shows natural immunity is strongest as one would expect one can not risk getting covid being unvaccinated as we can see from the same stats. In Switzerland at least you are given a certificate if you have recovered from covid just as you would get one for vaccination.
- nojokes 5y ago
  You can also get 3 month long certificate based on positive antibody test that is an improvement upon EU side where you can only get 6 month long certificate based on previous positive PCR test result.
  - john_minsk 5y ago
    The Swiss win again. Why this country is so much more reasonable compared to others? I want in!
Bobylonian 5y ago
Since this data does not speak for itself, here is additional data: Czech republic has ~60% vaccination rate. I assume, that how it is with others 99% of deaths are 60+, 90% 65-80+ in both vaccinated and unvaccinated categories. The vaccination status ends 3-6 months after shot, unless you get a booster shot. Obviously, that booster shot also has term, when it is considered to be vaccinated, so potentially you have to get unlimited boooster shots, unless covid ends or you die. Also, covid among vaccinated in % provides less people needed to be treated, so overall, where people that had vaccine boosts, had greater % share, that had to be put on ICU. Btw, there is NO DIFFERENCE ON SURVIVAL RATE of people who are put on ICU - the chance of survival for both vaccinated and unvaccinated in my home country was ~60%. IMO, all of the data in regards to covid should also show how well was their immunity and that is lacking in ALL charts. My gut feeling, is that mostly people who have no wish getting vaccines have some other health issues already - for ecample I have no wish to get vaccination and go through regular complications(with probability that it might cause shock reactions), because I have some other medical issues that I have to deal with. So, if the stupid idea is that miracle cure of vaccine is going to solve all health issues, well - in UK that is not working at all. People who are vaccinated are still dying. Here is the MAIN ISSUE that I have with such data, that has been posted from all the sources everywhere: NONE OF THESE EXPLAIN DEATHS OF FULLY VACCINATED PEOPLE(to be fair, even partly vaccinated people should be under miracle cure of vaccine...) So far NONE of vaccination pushers can explain deaths among people who had vaccines. Btw, in regions, where vaccination has been 100%, right now there has been no SLOWING DOWN of deaths from covid and covid cases, but they are going up. It's some kind of a religion, where zombifioed people are pushing for full vaccination and you sure can't shatter that faith in vaccines, even if VACCINATED PEOPLE ARE DYING! So far there ONLY seems to be a greater coleration in regards to seasons in year, than vaccination statuss. There has been publications in regards that, but I would like to see ONE ackkkktual proof(without using lingo with - maybe, perhaps, possibly) that vaccination is improving immunity aginst covid for those people, that have strong immunity AND DO NOT NEED VACCINATION and for those people, who have weak immunity, and where vaccination is giving antibody development with much much lower levels(below average) - starting from 10% up to 0% and they fall very flat in very quick time after vaccination shot.
- pfdietz 5y ago
  > NONE of vaccination pushers can explain deaths among people who had vaccines. Vaccines are imperfect. They are particularly imperfect when given to patients with impaired immune systems. This is neither unexpected nor reason to think vaccines are not a good idea. Please do not resort to the Nirvana Fallacy! https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy
  - Bobylonian 5y ago
    Looking on your improper usage of word perfect, that reminds me, that my English is not as native and precise. But I actually meant, that: NONE of vaccination pushers can(because they have no idea how to do that) explain deaths among people who had vaccines. And this was written in relation to garbage data that @op posted. >>>This is neither unexpected nor reason to think vaccines are not a good idea. No, I have exactly the opposite look on this and my opinion is that mass vaccination (of covid) is a terrible idea - not as much idea per se, but the way how it is executed. Because it is never a good idea, when people are fooled and promised a cure of covid, if that is not what is going to happen. We are seeing globally in different countries rise of covid cases, regardless if they have full or partial vactination statuss. So far there is better situation only where there has been no vaccination, as it might sound too cynical, but old and vulnerable have died(and they are dying when vaccinated anyway) and healthy and survivors have acquired long lasting covid immunity, that at this point is better than what vaccinated people have. As for mentioning Nirvana fallacy, this really explains what vaccination pushers are doing, because nothing of what has been done with covid situation is realistic. Dude, when my fellow countrymen were under lockdown, and were fined, because they went out of their house and were outside having a smoke alone in their own property(!), some of the bureaucrats(or as some call them - guest workers, because they are working for EU and not for their country) were flying to Switzerland to buy watch(and they were not fined for nonessential flight!!!) and this is the way, how spread of covid was happening, getting across the borders new mutations of covid. Vaccination against this type of behavior is impossible. Be real - existing vaccines are already less efficient against covid delta and new variants, than those who has gained natural immunity, that has been acquired by recovering from covid.
pfdietz 5y ago
Unless that is corrected for the age of the patients it won't tell us much. In particular, older patients are more susceptible to COVID, and also more likely to have been vaccinated, and similarly for patients with compromised immune systems.
nojokes 5y ago
This data is completely useless to draw any conclusions.

by zycon 5y ago

sschueller 5y ago

The stats in Zürich Switzerland are very similar. Even though it shows natural immunity is strongest as one would expect one can not risk getting covid being unvaccinated as we can see from the same stats. In Switzerland at least you are given a certificate if you have recovered from covid just as you would get one for vaccination.

nojokes 5y ago
You can also get 3 month long certificate based on positive antibody test that is an improvement upon EU side where you can only get 6 month long certificate based on previous positive PCR test result.
- john_minsk 5y ago
  The Swiss win again. Why this country is so much more reasonable compared to others? I want in!

Bobylonian 5y ago

Since this data does not speak for itself, here is additional data: Czech republic has ~60% vaccination rate. I assume, that how it is with others 99% of deaths are 60+, 90% 65-80+ in both vaccinated and unvaccinated categories. The vaccination status ends 3-6 months after shot, unless you get a booster shot. Obviously, that booster shot also has term, when it is considered to be vaccinated, so potentially you have to get unlimited boooster shots, unless covid ends or you die. Also, covid among vaccinated in % provides less people needed to be treated, so overall, where people that had vaccine boosts, had greater % share, that had to be put on ICU. Btw, there is NO DIFFERENCE ON SURVIVAL RATE of people who are put on ICU - the chance of survival for both vaccinated and unvaccinated in my home country was ~60%. IMO, all of the data in regards to covid should also show how well was their immunity and that is lacking in ALL charts. My gut feeling, is that mostly people who have no wish getting vaccines have some other health issues already - for ecample I have no wish to get vaccination and go through regular complications(with probability that it might cause shock reactions), because I have some other medical issues that I have to deal with. So, if the stupid idea is that miracle cure of vaccine is going to solve all health issues, well - in UK that is not working at all. People who are vaccinated are still dying. Here is the MAIN ISSUE that I have with such data, that has been posted from all the sources everywhere: NONE OF THESE EXPLAIN DEATHS OF FULLY VACCINATED PEOPLE(to be fair, even partly vaccinated people should be under miracle cure of vaccine...) So far NONE of vaccination pushers can explain deaths among people who had vaccines. Btw, in regions, where vaccination has been 100%, right now there has been no SLOWING DOWN of deaths from covid and covid cases, but they are going up. It's some kind of a religion, where zombifioed people are pushing for full vaccination and you sure can't shatter that faith in vaccines, even if VACCINATED PEOPLE ARE DYING! So far there ONLY seems to be a greater coleration in regards to seasons in year, than vaccination statuss. There has been publications in regards that, but I would like to see ONE ackkkktual proof(without using lingo with - maybe, perhaps, possibly) that vaccination is improving immunity aginst covid for those people, that have strong immunity AND DO NOT NEED VACCINATION and for those people, who have weak immunity, and where vaccination is giving antibody development with much much lower levels(below average) - starting from 10% up to 0% and they fall very flat in very quick time after vaccination shot.

pfdietz 5y ago
> NONE of vaccination pushers can explain deaths among people who had vaccines. Vaccines are imperfect. They are particularly imperfect when given to patients with impaired immune systems. This is neither unexpected nor reason to think vaccines are not a good idea. Please do not resort to the Nirvana Fallacy! https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy
- Bobylonian 5y ago
  Looking on your improper usage of word perfect, that reminds me, that my English is not as native and precise. But I actually meant, that: NONE of vaccination pushers can(because they have no idea how to do that) explain deaths among people who had vaccines. And this was written in relation to garbage data that @op posted. >>>This is neither unexpected nor reason to think vaccines are not a good idea. No, I have exactly the opposite look on this and my opinion is that mass vaccination (of covid) is a terrible idea - not as much idea per se, but the way how it is executed. Because it is never a good idea, when people are fooled and promised a cure of covid, if that is not what is going to happen. We are seeing globally in different countries rise of covid cases, regardless if they have full or partial vactination statuss. So far there is better situation only where there has been no vaccination, as it might sound too cynical, but old and vulnerable have died(and they are dying when vaccinated anyway) and healthy and survivors have acquired long lasting covid immunity, that at this point is better than what vaccinated people have. As for mentioning Nirvana fallacy, this really explains what vaccination pushers are doing, because nothing of what has been done with covid situation is realistic. Dude, when my fellow countrymen were under lockdown, and were fined, because they went out of their house and were outside having a smoke alone in their own property(!), some of the bureaucrats(or as some call them - guest workers, because they are working for EU and not for their country) were flying to Switzerland to buy watch(and they were not fined for nonessential flight!!!) and this is the way, how spread of covid was happening, getting across the borders new mutations of covid. Vaccination against this type of behavior is impossible. Be real - existing vaccines are already less efficient against covid delta and new variants, than those who has gained natural immunity, that has been acquired by recovering from covid.

pfdietz 5y ago

Unless that is corrected for the age of the patients it won't tell us much. In particular, older patients are more susceptible to COVID, and also more likely to have been vaccinated, and similarly for patients with compromised immune systems.

nojokes 5y ago

This data is completely useless to draw any conclusions.