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Euthanasia clinics refusing unvaccinated customers

8 points by bananapear 5y ago

h2odragon 5y ago
Germany leaps into the lead in the race for clean fusion by trying a novel fuel: official stupidity!
- johnklos 5y ago
  If you think that's stupid, then please examine yourself: Why do you think people have the right to possibly infect others? Think about it - you're suggesting that a person's right to do whatever they want, to decide to not get vaccinated, is more important than a person's right to live life without being directly exposed to a virus that could possibly harm or even kill them. If this commentary were about suicide booths like in Futurama, there wouldn't be an issue. But if someone wants to be euthanized, this requires other people to be present. Therefore, this isn't stupid at all.
  - esarbe 5y ago
    > But if someone wants to be euthanized, this requires other people to be present Came here to write this, but since you've already done it, there's nothing left for me to do but to tell you; well done. (Tangentially; who even reads a rag like the Spectator?)
    - blub 5y ago
      The spectator’s one of the very few newspapers left which publish conservative opinions. Progressive newspapers on the other hand are a dime a dozen and are quite predictable both in what they say and how they say it.
      - esarbe 5y ago
        What is the worth of getting "conservative opinions" published if they are based on a make-believe fantasy that has nothing to do whatsoever with the actual reality at hand, disregards scientific consensus and whose primary purpose is to foster outrage and anger at a straw-man boogieman? I mean, just take the story at hand? What's the intent behind an obvious outrage piece like this? While the Spectator is definitely is not the worst offender, it's factual reporting has been declining for years. If you want conservative opinion pieces that are better grounded in reality check out https://www.thetimes.co.uk/ https://www.thetimes.co.uk/
  - h2odragon 5y ago
    You're suggesting that the other person has no agency here, and all the responsibility is "mine" (for the purposes of discussion). I disagree. If you're so worried about catching diseases from people, be pro-active about it, avoid them and protect yourself how you can. This specific case is an example of rationing medical services; if we accept that's OK now, what's the next class of people no longer worthy of treatments? The obese? How about we extend it to anybody who'se been chronically ill for more than say, 6mo? They're such a burden on our "overloaded hospitals" already arent they? And so on.
    - esarbe 5y ago
      > This specific case is an example of rationing medical services; if we accept that's OK now, what's the next class of people no longer worthy of treatments? The obese? How about we extend it to anybody who'se been chronically ill for more than say, 6mo? They're such a burden on our "overloaded hospitals" already arent they? And so on. Being obese is not a choice. Being chronically ill is not a choice. Not getting vaccinated is a choice. There's no good reason not to get vaccinated and if sane people want to protect themselves from any unnecessary risk, ostracizing unvaccinated people is a very good approach.
      - h2odragon 5y ago
        Everyone who successfully lost weight made some choice as to their obesity. Some people can't choose to be lighter, some can. That's one of the lovely chaotic aspects of humanity, we're all the same in that we're all different. There are many good reasons not to get vaccinated, some of them even officially recognized as medical exceptions. Having already had COVID is of at least as much if not more value than a vaccination; IMO, and the debates still rage there but few say natural immunity doesn't happen. In no way does a blanket policy of social shunning benefit individuals or society.
        esarbe 5y ago
        > There are many good reasons not to get vaccinated, some of them even officially recognized as medical exceptions. Having already had COVID is of at least as much if not more value than a vaccination; IMO, and the debates still rage there but few say natural immunity doesn't happen. If you recognize all this, I really wonder what exactly you are arguing against. All the Covid rules I'm familiar with treat a healed infection with covid the same as a vaccination. > In no way does a blanket policy of social shunning benefit individuals or society. If that was the case I would agree with you. But these are not blanket policies and so I'm left to wonder what exactly you object to.
  - blub 5y ago
    There is no such right to live without being exposed to a virus. It’a a force of nature that does not obey human rules. The right to be able to reject or accept medical treatments on the other hand is well established and has a long history. Still, wouldn’t call the decision stupid, just petty. The fact that some don’t want to get a vaccine has been a blessing for wannabe tyrants all over the world.

8 points by bananapear 5y ago

h2odragon 5y ago

Germany leaps into the lead in the race for clean fusion by trying a novel fuel: official stupidity!

johnklos 5y ago
If you think that's stupid, then please examine yourself: Why do you think people have the right to possibly infect others? Think about it - you're suggesting that a person's right to do whatever they want, to decide to not get vaccinated, is more important than a person's right to live life without being directly exposed to a virus that could possibly harm or even kill them. If this commentary were about suicide booths like in Futurama, there wouldn't be an issue. But if someone wants to be euthanized, this requires other people to be present. Therefore, this isn't stupid at all.
- esarbe 5y ago
  > But if someone wants to be euthanized, this requires other people to be present Came here to write this, but since you've already done it, there's nothing left for me to do but to tell you; well done. (Tangentially; who even reads a rag like the Spectator?)
  - blub 5y ago
    The spectator’s one of the very few newspapers left which publish conservative opinions. Progressive newspapers on the other hand are a dime a dozen and are quite predictable both in what they say and how they say it.
    - esarbe 5y ago
      What is the worth of getting "conservative opinions" published if they are based on a make-believe fantasy that has nothing to do whatsoever with the actual reality at hand, disregards scientific consensus and whose primary purpose is to foster outrage and anger at a straw-man boogieman? I mean, just take the story at hand? What's the intent behind an obvious outrage piece like this? While the Spectator is definitely is not the worst offender, it's factual reporting has been declining for years. If you want conservative opinion pieces that are better grounded in reality check out https://www.thetimes.co.uk/ https://www.thetimes.co.uk/
- h2odragon 5y ago
  You're suggesting that the other person has no agency here, and all the responsibility is "mine" (for the purposes of discussion). I disagree. If you're so worried about catching diseases from people, be pro-active about it, avoid them and protect yourself how you can. This specific case is an example of rationing medical services; if we accept that's OK now, what's the next class of people no longer worthy of treatments? The obese? How about we extend it to anybody who'se been chronically ill for more than say, 6mo? They're such a burden on our "overloaded hospitals" already arent they? And so on.
  - esarbe 5y ago
    > This specific case is an example of rationing medical services; if we accept that's OK now, what's the next class of people no longer worthy of treatments? The obese? How about we extend it to anybody who'se been chronically ill for more than say, 6mo? They're such a burden on our "overloaded hospitals" already arent they? And so on. Being obese is not a choice. Being chronically ill is not a choice. Not getting vaccinated is a choice. There's no good reason not to get vaccinated and if sane people want to protect themselves from any unnecessary risk, ostracizing unvaccinated people is a very good approach.
    - h2odragon 5y ago
      Everyone who successfully lost weight made some choice as to their obesity. Some people can't choose to be lighter, some can. That's one of the lovely chaotic aspects of humanity, we're all the same in that we're all different. There are many good reasons not to get vaccinated, some of them even officially recognized as medical exceptions. Having already had COVID is of at least as much if not more value than a vaccination; IMO, and the debates still rage there but few say natural immunity doesn't happen. In no way does a blanket policy of social shunning benefit individuals or society.
      - esarbe 5y ago
        > There are many good reasons not to get vaccinated, some of them even officially recognized as medical exceptions. Having already had COVID is of at least as much if not more value than a vaccination; IMO, and the debates still rage there but few say natural immunity doesn't happen. If you recognize all this, I really wonder what exactly you are arguing against. All the Covid rules I'm familiar with treat a healed infection with covid the same as a vaccination. > In no way does a blanket policy of social shunning benefit individuals or society. If that was the case I would agree with you. But these are not blanket policies and so I'm left to wonder what exactly you object to.
- blub 5y ago
  There is no such right to live without being exposed to a virus. It’a a force of nature that does not obey human rules. The right to be able to reject or accept medical treatments on the other hand is well established and has a long history. Still, wouldn’t call the decision stupid, just petty. The fact that some don’t want to get a vaccine has been a blessing for wannabe tyrants all over the world.