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Your entire post is based around me fitting my round peg into your square hole. I have left the industry because of WFH. I have no interest in compromising, it

Your entire post is based around me fitting my round peg into your square hole. I have left the industry because of WFH. I have no interest in compromising, it was fun, and none of what you have described is fun, so why bother? I wish you the best in front of your screen.

gravypod 5y ago
> Your entire post is based around me fitting my round peg into your square hole. So it is possible to do but because it isn't required to actually "get to" work it feels futile? > it was fun, and none of what you have described is fun I haven't really described much here. I'm just asking if "commuting" to get coffee from a local shop or something could serve as a substitute. Your response seems to indicate that it couldn't but I'm not exactly sure why that is. > I wish you the best in front of your screen. I don't know if this is meant to be a dig but, if you're a SWE or in IT or something you're probably going to be behind a screen for a majority of your job. Even people in NOC monitor screens most of the time.
- mk81 5y ago
  Stop putting words in his/her mouth. This is how some people feel. Let it go.
  - throwaway55421 5y ago
    Thank you. I honestly find these people to simply be trolls. The views espoused make no sense. Imagine if I suggested that they just video call their children from the office as a replacement for watching them grow up. You want A, I want B. We can have both, it ain't even hard.
    - gravypod 5y ago
      > I honestly find these people to simply be trolls. The views espoused make no sense. I hope it's not coming off as me trolling. I'm genuinely attempting to see what the other side of this discussion is. One side seems to represent remote work as a way to decentralize the industry allowing us all to move to lower cost of living areas, reduce the time "working" by not needing commutes, spend more time with family and children, and improve the amount of focus time you have. As for the work-from-office side of things: I don't actually know why people want to return. As from what I can gather: people miss commuting and miss seeing other people. It seems fairly straight forward to me how this could be replicated in a WFH environment. 1. If you miss commuting adding a fake commute (home -> subway -> coffee shop -> subay -> home) into your day can help. 2. If you miss seeing people working from a shared office space like WeWork or attending meetups with other people in your field seems like a good substitute. You can talk shop with people who are actually your friends (changing jobs doesn't change your social group). I see these as being very direct substitutes for what I see people bring up and I don't understand why these are not the same. Maybe because other people you are working with are not also doing these? Maybe it's that if the commute or socialization aren't part of the job it feels sort of "pointless"? I don't understand this though. > Imagine if I suggested that they just video call their children from the office as a replacement for watching them grow up. Funnily enough this is one of the reasons people like WFH. They can spend time with their kids instead of commuting. > You want A, I want B. We can have both, it ain't even hard. Actually, it is sort of difficult. In a world where we assume all workplaces allow WFH then yes, we can do both. Coworkers who want to work in an office can self organize into rented office space but the default of remote workers will change things: conference rooms need to allow people to dial in, people need to document discussions/decisions that are randomly made in office, etc. In a world where work-from-office is the assumed norm it is much harder to join a company as WFH since many processes are just not there.
      - throwaway55421 5y ago
        Dude, I want to _be in the office doing my job with my coworkers_. I don't want the constituent parts. A bicycle and a car are not the same even if you put a roof on the bicycle and take two of the wheels off the car. I say that you are trolling because I believe that your line of inquiry is disingenuous. You don't want to know why I prefer in-person work - you want to design workarounds for me which nudge me towards your preferred way. As I've described, I would rather just not do it at all, hence me leaving. I like cheese and onion crisps man, and that's that. There is no further "why", if they're not available, I'm not gonna eat whatever flavour is in the store instead, I'll just eat something else.
- throwaway55421 5y ago
  You're trying to get me to emulate life. Have you considered playing with toy trains instead of being a train driver? You know that you're playing silly buggers, let's get real here.

gravypod 5y ago

> Your entire post is based around me fitting my round peg into your square hole. So it is possible to do but because it isn't required to actually "get to" work it feels futile? > it was fun, and none of what you have described is fun I haven't really described much here. I'm just asking if "commuting" to get coffee from a local shop or something could serve as a substitute. Your response seems to indicate that it couldn't but I'm not exactly sure why that is. > I wish you the best in front of your screen. I don't know if this is meant to be a dig but, if you're a SWE or in IT or something you're probably going to be behind a screen for a majority of your job. Even people in NOC monitor screens most of the time.

mk81 5y ago
Stop putting words in his/her mouth. This is how some people feel. Let it go.
- throwaway55421 5y ago
  Thank you. I honestly find these people to simply be trolls. The views espoused make no sense. Imagine if I suggested that they just video call their children from the office as a replacement for watching them grow up. You want A, I want B. We can have both, it ain't even hard.
  - gravypod 5y ago
    > I honestly find these people to simply be trolls. The views espoused make no sense. I hope it's not coming off as me trolling. I'm genuinely attempting to see what the other side of this discussion is. One side seems to represent remote work as a way to decentralize the industry allowing us all to move to lower cost of living areas, reduce the time "working" by not needing commutes, spend more time with family and children, and improve the amount of focus time you have. As for the work-from-office side of things: I don't actually know why people want to return. As from what I can gather: people miss commuting and miss seeing other people. It seems fairly straight forward to me how this could be replicated in a WFH environment. 1. If you miss commuting adding a fake commute (home -> subway -> coffee shop -> subay -> home) into your day can help. 2. If you miss seeing people working from a shared office space like WeWork or attending meetups with other people in your field seems like a good substitute. You can talk shop with people who are actually your friends (changing jobs doesn't change your social group). I see these as being very direct substitutes for what I see people bring up and I don't understand why these are not the same. Maybe because other people you are working with are not also doing these? Maybe it's that if the commute or socialization aren't part of the job it feels sort of "pointless"? I don't understand this though. > Imagine if I suggested that they just video call their children from the office as a replacement for watching them grow up. Funnily enough this is one of the reasons people like WFH. They can spend time with their kids instead of commuting. > You want A, I want B. We can have both, it ain't even hard. Actually, it is sort of difficult. In a world where we assume all workplaces allow WFH then yes, we can do both. Coworkers who want to work in an office can self organize into rented office space but the default of remote workers will change things: conference rooms need to allow people to dial in, people need to document discussions/decisions that are randomly made in office, etc. In a world where work-from-office is the assumed norm it is much harder to join a company as WFH since many processes are just not there.
    - throwaway55421 5y ago
      Dude, I want to _be in the office doing my job with my coworkers_. I don't want the constituent parts. A bicycle and a car are not the same even if you put a roof on the bicycle and take two of the wheels off the car. I say that you are trolling because I believe that your line of inquiry is disingenuous. You don't want to know why I prefer in-person work - you want to design workarounds for me which nudge me towards your preferred way. As I've described, I would rather just not do it at all, hence me leaving. I like cheese and onion crisps man, and that's that. There is no further "why", if they're not available, I'm not gonna eat whatever flavour is in the store instead, I'll just eat something else.
throwaway55421 5y ago
You're trying to get me to emulate life. Have you considered playing with toy trains instead of being a train driver? You know that you're playing silly buggers, let's get real here.