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I’m not sure why this is called an AI. I feel like a deterministic algorithm to play Tetris in an efficient way is not super complicated to write.

by Ecco 5y ago

H8crilA 5y ago
> It's not AI if I can understand what it's doing - found on the internet, 2021
- Ecco 5y ago
  Not what I said or meant at all. I’m arguing about the proper use of the “intelligence” noun here. Does this really show a “capacity for abstraction, logic, understanding, self-awareness, learning, emotional knowledge, reasoning, planning, creativity, critical thinking, and problem-solving. ”(Wikipedia)? I don’t think so. All I see here is a simple list of steps that a machine keeps on repeating.
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  - NamTaf 5y ago
    We have used "AI" to denote the computer player in games for as long as I've been alive, and I'm pushing my late 30s. This is not new ground, and I'm a bit surprised you're choosing this hill to make your stand. e: This is precisely why there's the distinction of "artificial general intelligence"
    - kzrdude 5y ago
      It's not strange, it's precisely because AI is used as a term everywhere now, that we should be skeptical of using it that way.
      - NavinF 5y ago
        “Everywhere now”? The title’s usage of “AI” has been common even before my parents were born: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence_in_video_games https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence_in_v...
  - H8crilA 5y ago
    You're right. In my little joke I implied something else than you said. It's a low/middle complexity piece of control software.
  - Vetch 5y ago
    There is the intelligence required to play the game and the intelligence required to learn it. As long as the activity of playing Tetris can be labeled as relying on intelligence then the machine can be labeled as an excised expression of said intelligence.
- qayxc 5y ago
  That's a strange takeaway from this. Ecco simply missed the fact that the Tetris AI used here is actually exactly that: a deterministic algorithm that uses heuristics to search the best placement options. This is not deep learning in case you're wondering.
ceautery 5y ago
https://github.com/GregoryCannon/StackRabbit https://github.com/GregoryCannon/StackRabbit if you'd like to test your casually flippant statement.
mypalmike 5y ago
All right then. Where's yours?

I’m not sure why this is called an AI. I feel like a deterministic algorithm to play Tetris in an efficient way is not super complicated to write.

by Ecco 5y ago

I’m not sure why this is called an AI. I feel like a deterministic algorithm to play Tetris in an efficient way is not super complicated to write.

H8crilA 5y ago

> It's not AI if I can understand what it's doing - found on the internet, 2021

Ecco 5y ago
Not what I said or meant at all. I’m arguing about the proper use of the “intelligence” noun here. Does this really show a “capacity for abstraction, logic, understanding, self-awareness, learning, emotional knowledge, reasoning, planning, creativity, critical thinking, and problem-solving. ”(Wikipedia)? I don’t think so. All I see here is a simple list of steps that a machine keeps on repeating.
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- NamTaf 5y ago
  We have used "AI" to denote the computer player in games for as long as I've been alive, and I'm pushing my late 30s. This is not new ground, and I'm a bit surprised you're choosing this hill to make your stand. e: This is precisely why there's the distinction of "artificial general intelligence"
  - kzrdude 5y ago
    It's not strange, it's precisely because AI is used as a term everywhere now, that we should be skeptical of using it that way.
    - NavinF 5y ago
      “Everywhere now”? The title’s usage of “AI” has been common even before my parents were born: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence_in_video_games https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence_in_v...
- H8crilA 5y ago
  You're right. In my little joke I implied something else than you said. It's a low/middle complexity piece of control software.
- Vetch 5y ago
  There is the intelligence required to play the game and the intelligence required to learn it. As long as the activity of playing Tetris can be labeled as relying on intelligence then the machine can be labeled as an excised expression of said intelligence.
qayxc 5y ago
That's a strange takeaway from this. Ecco simply missed the fact that the Tetris AI used here is actually exactly that: a deterministic algorithm that uses heuristics to search the best placement options. This is not deep learning in case you're wondering.

ceautery 5y ago

https://github.com/GregoryCannon/StackRabbit https://github.com/GregoryCannon/StackRabbit if you'd like to test your casually flippant statement.

mypalmike 5y ago

All right then. Where's yours?