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EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

144 points by hprotagonist 5y ago

robertbmenke 5y ago
I love the emacs philosophy. Doom emacs with evil mode is a gorgeous experience. However, once LSP and a few plugins are running it's just too slow to use. I hope one day we'll have a multi-threaded version of emacs that can compete with VSCode, JetBrains, and Xcode.
- 7kay 5y ago
  Do you use the native-comp branch of emacs? This probably doesn't make any difference when it comes to multithreading but it should make the experience a bit more smooth.
davydog187 5y ago
I wish I had time to watch! Will these be recorded?
- erk__ 5y ago
  I think it will all be possible to access on their youtube at least https://www.youtube.com/c/EmacsConf https://www.youtube.com/c/EmacsConf
- hprotagonist 5y ago
  All talks are prerecorded and will be uploaded after the conference to the conference website. curl or mpv them later at your leisure!
y7 5y ago
Here is a list of all the talks, with videos of the ones that have finished: https://emacsconf.org/2021/schedule/ https://emacsconf.org/2021/schedule/
earthscienceman 5y ago
Was there not, at some point, a disagreement among the emacs developers about how this conference was being managed? As an aside, emacs has so much potential, I'm so glad the community continues to thrive. I use emacs exclusively for science data analysis and consistently impress my colleagues with how quickly things can be accomplished. If rough edges were polished in some of the python corners there could easily be an emacs renaissance in academia, a la nicolas rougier et al. For just how popular python is in science now, the workflows are abysmal at best. 2 out of 3 of my colleagues won't touch it because Anaconda makes no sense, a command line work flow is too obtuse, and Matlab for all its disgusting nature is at least "natural" to work with as an environment in some sense. Which makes me sad. I have dreams that emacs makes that more approachable.
- ashton314 5y ago
  Just came here to plug Nicolas Rougier. He’s got some fantastic and very pretty-looking Emacs packages. He’s got good ideas of where Emacs should be in terms of usability in my opinion. https://github.com/rougier https://github.com/rougier
- Folcon 5y ago
  This is interesting, I had the impression that notebooks were crossing this gap, are there specific command line issues that are a big bottleneck? Is it just better dependency management that's the big command line problem for example?
  - taeric 5y ago
    Notebooks are abysmal when it comes to state management. And that includes state of data access, as well as state of dependencies.
- plafl 5y ago
  In any complex field, say data science or software development, any newcomer perceives the solutions to problems they still don't have as unnecessary complexity. So for example the whole idea of dependency management, environments or version control will get in their way. Because it's not yet their problem. They are solving simpler problems: how I run this simple script (or with Emacs, say, undo this change, etc...). In that regard Matlab excels at making it easy for newcomers and harder later. We need gradual complexity, but I think it's very hard to design. It needs knowledge + didactic capability.
Mikeb85 5y ago
Nice to know the Emacs community is as active as ever. It's a great extensible environment.
chaoz_ 5y ago
I might ask a dumb questions - but why is this conf not streamed on Twitch? It could help acquire new audience.
- seanw444 5y ago
  To BeetleB's point, Emacs is free and open source software. I'm sure they wouldn't want to use a non free and open source network/streaming service to deliver the video.
  - josteink 5y ago
    I fully agree with that. But I’d appreciate it they streamed in formats I could play on my iPhone. Does anyone have a direct video-link I can pass to VLC?
- BeetleB 5y ago
  Is Twitch "free"?
  - taeric 5y ago
    Even if not, you could probably get donations to put quite a few of these up there. Seems a really good idea.
    - noir_lord 5y ago
      Wrong type of free I think.
      - taeric 5y ago
        Fair, I actually did assume that it costs money to put some videos up on twitch. In other ways, though, I'm not actually clear that they lock you in much. Such that I'm not sure how it is any less free than most any other alternative. Consider, it is basically the idea to use the town hall to host a local event.
amichail 5y ago
Isn't it time for everyone to move on to TeXmacs, not only for WYSIWYG editing of scientific/math documents, but also for note taking and even programming?
- Koshkin 5y ago
  TeXmacs is amazing but has been staying in a relative obscurity for some reason. It could be a great tool for the so-called literal programming. (Curiously, TeXmacs has little to do with TeX or emacs.)
- alex_smart 5y ago
  TeXmacs for programming?!
  - Jtsummers 5y ago
    If you do literate programming or work with a REPL, sure. https://www.nongnu.org/fangle/examples/hello-world.pdf https://www.nongnu.org/fangle/examples/hello-world.pdf
- convolvatron 5y ago
  ok. that looks interesting. will try, do you think there are any downsides in trying to use this as a general purpose programming environment? edit: whoa - you mean I can't use normal emacs cursor movement? no thanks, emacs for me is all about no menus and no modality.
- ravi-delia 5y ago
  Is it? First time I've ever heard of it, although looking at it I must say I am intrigued. What would you say are its main positive features?
  - amichail 5y ago
    It's currently an amazing way to write math/science documents in a truly WYSIWYG editor.
- 5y ago
b3morales 5y ago
The Kindle talk sounds interesting: https://emacsconf.org/2021/talks/dashboard/ https://emacsconf.org/2021/talks/dashboard/ I have a an older Kindle hanging around that I'd be happy to get some new life out of with a little hacking.
enbugger 5y ago
Is there VIM conf?
- travisbhartwell 5y ago
  There was a Vim conference last month: https://www.vimconf.live https://www.vimconf.live

144 points by hprotagonist 5y ago

I love the emacs philosophy. Doom emacs with evil mode is a gorgeous experience. However, once LSP and a few plugins are running it's just too slow to use. I hope one day we'll have a multi-threaded version of emacs that can compete with VSCode, JetBrains, and Xcode.

7kay 5y ago
Do you use the native-comp branch of emacs? This probably doesn't make any difference when it comes to multithreading but it should make the experience a bit more smooth.

davydog187 5y ago

I wish I had time to watch! Will these be recorded?

erk__ 5y ago
I think it will all be possible to access on their youtube at least https://www.youtube.com/c/EmacsConf https://www.youtube.com/c/EmacsConf
hprotagonist 5y ago
All talks are prerecorded and will be uploaded after the conference to the conference website. curl or mpv them later at your leisure!

y7 5y ago

Here is a list of all the talks, with videos of the ones that have finished: https://emacsconf.org/2021/schedule/ https://emacsconf.org/2021/schedule/

earthscienceman 5y ago

Was there not, at some point, a disagreement among the emacs developers about how this conference was being managed? As an aside, emacs has so much potential, I'm so glad the community continues to thrive. I use emacs exclusively for science data analysis and consistently impress my colleagues with how quickly things can be accomplished. If rough edges were polished in some of the python corners there could easily be an emacs renaissance in academia, a la nicolas rougier et al. For just how popular python is in science now, the workflows are abysmal at best. 2 out of 3 of my colleagues won't touch it because Anaconda makes no sense, a command line work flow is too obtuse, and Matlab for all its disgusting nature is at least "natural" to work with as an environment in some sense. Which makes me sad. I have dreams that emacs makes that more approachable.

ashton314 5y ago
Just came here to plug Nicolas Rougier. He’s got some fantastic and very pretty-looking Emacs packages. He’s got good ideas of where Emacs should be in terms of usability in my opinion. https://github.com/rougier https://github.com/rougier
Folcon 5y ago
This is interesting, I had the impression that notebooks were crossing this gap, are there specific command line issues that are a big bottleneck? Is it just better dependency management that's the big command line problem for example?
- taeric 5y ago
  Notebooks are abysmal when it comes to state management. And that includes state of data access, as well as state of dependencies.
plafl 5y ago
In any complex field, say data science or software development, any newcomer perceives the solutions to problems they still don't have as unnecessary complexity. So for example the whole idea of dependency management, environments or version control will get in their way. Because it's not yet their problem. They are solving simpler problems: how I run this simple script (or with Emacs, say, undo this change, etc...). In that regard Matlab excels at making it easy for newcomers and harder later. We need gradual complexity, but I think it's very hard to design. It needs knowledge + didactic capability.

Mikeb85 5y ago

Nice to know the Emacs community is as active as ever. It's a great extensible environment.

chaoz_ 5y ago

I might ask a dumb questions - but why is this conf not streamed on Twitch? It could help acquire new audience.

seanw444 5y ago
To BeetleB's point, Emacs is free and open source software. I'm sure they wouldn't want to use a non free and open source network/streaming service to deliver the video.
- josteink 5y ago
  I fully agree with that. But I’d appreciate it they streamed in formats I could play on my iPhone. Does anyone have a direct video-link I can pass to VLC?
BeetleB 5y ago
Is Twitch "free"?
- taeric 5y ago
  Even if not, you could probably get donations to put quite a few of these up there. Seems a really good idea.
  - noir_lord 5y ago
    Wrong type of free I think.
    - taeric 5y ago
      Fair, I actually did assume that it costs money to put some videos up on twitch. In other ways, though, I'm not actually clear that they lock you in much. Such that I'm not sure how it is any less free than most any other alternative. Consider, it is basically the idea to use the town hall to host a local event.

amichail 5y ago

Isn't it time for everyone to move on to TeXmacs, not only for WYSIWYG editing of scientific/math documents, but also for note taking and even programming?

Koshkin 5y ago
TeXmacs is amazing but has been staying in a relative obscurity for some reason. It could be a great tool for the so-called literal programming. (Curiously, TeXmacs has little to do with TeX or emacs.)
alex_smart 5y ago
TeXmacs for programming?!
- Jtsummers 5y ago
  If you do literate programming or work with a REPL, sure. https://www.nongnu.org/fangle/examples/hello-world.pdf https://www.nongnu.org/fangle/examples/hello-world.pdf
convolvatron 5y ago
ok. that looks interesting. will try, do you think there are any downsides in trying to use this as a general purpose programming environment? edit: whoa - you mean I can't use normal emacs cursor movement? no thanks, emacs for me is all about no menus and no modality.
ravi-delia 5y ago
Is it? First time I've ever heard of it, although looking at it I must say I am intrigued. What would you say are its main positive features?
- amichail 5y ago
  It's currently an amazing way to write math/science documents in a truly WYSIWYG editor.
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b3morales 5y ago

The Kindle talk sounds interesting: https://emacsconf.org/2021/talks/dashboard/ https://emacsconf.org/2021/talks/dashboard/ I have a an older Kindle hanging around that I'd be happy to get some new life out of with a little hacking.

enbugger 5y ago

Is there VIM conf?

travisbhartwell 5y ago
There was a Vim conference last month: https://www.vimconf.live https://www.vimconf.live