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Nah, I want to work with actual people. I have literally zero interest in a Zoom call to someone who's in the same town as me, I'd rather jump on the bus or tr

Nah, I want to work with actual people. I have literally zero interest in a Zoom call to someone who's in the same town as me, I'd rather jump on the bus or train and see them. I don't see that as being increased friction because to me travel and seeing people is _better_ than sitting in front of a screen for longer - it provides a welcome break and helps me to see more about the world. I just find the entire thing odd. Like, being in the pub is better than on a phone call. Being at a theme park is better than being in a sim. Being at work is better than being at virtual work. The whole situation is absurd to me, like a bad movie plot.

Apocryphon 5y ago
You forget that corona WFH is not the same as the WFH that is to come, post-lockdowns and quarantines. Having the freedom to work from your local cafe, your local university library, an expensed WeWork, in public spaces of your choosing, rather than in open offices full of endless distraction and people coughing, there is freedom to that. You will get physical interactions with greater society, you just won’t be forced to be in the office all the time from that. Work from a park. And I say this as someone who will probably prefer the hybrid approach of seeing my teammates 1-2 times a week. The less time people are forced to waste lavish amounts of time, fuel, and their lives to commuting, so much the better.
- throwaway55421 5y ago
  I can do all of that now, I live in the UK which has no restrictions. You talk about being "forced" to be in an office but ignore the other side of being "forced" to work over video calls. I mean, neither are forced, like I said I just left the industry. So it goes, life moves on. What a shame to have wasted so much time on a dead end path, though now I'm having great fun doing other stuff. :)
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    You’re either going to be forced to do one or the other, or both. Would you be okay with hybrid? Why this stark dichotomy when compromises already exist? If you don’t want to be “forced”, then become your own boss- this is a Y Combinator site, after all. Become an entrepreneur or a freelancer. Or drop out of the workforce entirely into the ranks of r/antiwork. It sounds like you’ve found a new path, that’s great! You do you, but trumpeting it in such an oblique way is just Vaguebook humblebragging.
    - throwaway55421 5y ago
      I just left the industry. There are other fields which are not doing WFH to the same extreme. Most office jobs aren't even going as bonkers as software dev. If you see me saying "software development left me behind" as a humblebrag, that's on you. I had a job I loved, and propaganda deleted it.
      - Apocryphon 5y ago
        You’re alleging you’re having great fun doing other stuff, so you could talk about that if you want or otherwise it’s just a passing reference.
        throwaway55421 5y ago
        No. I owe you people nothing. You deleted the career I trained for over a decade on a whim. Fuck you.
        Apocryphon 5y ago
        You’re projecting, but it’s understandable given the tumultuous personal career changes you’ve undergone this past year. I am not nearly at the pay grade of those responsible for your misery, nor am I among the ranks of those calling for universal WFH- I believe in universal choice, and as aforementioned, would be personally happier with a hybrid situation to build workplace trust and camaraderie. It sounds like you’re in a happier place now. Good on ya and keep at it!

Apocryphon 5y ago

You forget that corona WFH is not the same as the WFH that is to come, post-lockdowns and quarantines. Having the freedom to work from your local cafe, your local university library, an expensed WeWork, in public spaces of your choosing, rather than in open offices full of endless distraction and people coughing, there is freedom to that. You will get physical interactions with greater society, you just won’t be forced to be in the office all the time from that. Work from a park. And I say this as someone who will probably prefer the hybrid approach of seeing my teammates 1-2 times a week. The less time people are forced to waste lavish amounts of time, fuel, and their lives to commuting, so much the better.

throwaway55421 5y ago
I can do all of that now, I live in the UK which has no restrictions. You talk about being "forced" to be in an office but ignore the other side of being "forced" to work over video calls. I mean, neither are forced, like I said I just left the industry. So it goes, life moves on. What a shame to have wasted so much time on a dead end path, though now I'm having great fun doing other stuff. :)
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  You’re either going to be forced to do one or the other, or both. Would you be okay with hybrid? Why this stark dichotomy when compromises already exist? If you don’t want to be “forced”, then become your own boss- this is a Y Combinator site, after all. Become an entrepreneur or a freelancer. Or drop out of the workforce entirely into the ranks of r/antiwork. It sounds like you’ve found a new path, that’s great! You do you, but trumpeting it in such an oblique way is just Vaguebook humblebragging.
  - throwaway55421 5y ago
    I just left the industry. There are other fields which are not doing WFH to the same extreme. Most office jobs aren't even going as bonkers as software dev. If you see me saying "software development left me behind" as a humblebrag, that's on you. I had a job I loved, and propaganda deleted it.
    - Apocryphon 5y ago
      You’re alleging you’re having great fun doing other stuff, so you could talk about that if you want or otherwise it’s just a passing reference.
      - throwaway55421 5y ago
        No. I owe you people nothing. You deleted the career I trained for over a decade on a whim. Fuck you.
        Apocryphon 5y ago
        You’re projecting, but it’s understandable given the tumultuous personal career changes you’ve undergone this past year. I am not nearly at the pay grade of those responsible for your misery, nor am I among the ranks of those calling for universal WFH- I believe in universal choice, and as aforementioned, would be personally happier with a hybrid situation to build workplace trust and camaraderie. It sounds like you’re in a happier place now. Good on ya and keep at it!