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If Julia had wanted to be taken seriously then it shouldn't have dropped the ball at the very first hurdle by having 1-based array indexing.

dunefox 5y ago
This is such a non-issue and I'm tired of reading a version of this comment in any thread where Julia is mentioned.
freemint 5y ago
This is a total non issue as indexing is an operation that is subject to multiple dispatch. For a humorous example see https://github.com/giordano/StarWarsArrays.jl https://github.com/giordano/StarWarsArrays.jl
ChrisRackauckas 5y ago
The person who comes to a Julia discussion and says "so, how's 1-based indexing?" is the same person who walks up to people in the office and goes "so, how's the weather today?" every single day. It's the Smash Mouth Allstar of programming language conversations. The only things interesting about the conversation at this point are the ever more elaborate attempts at semi-comedically changing the topic towards something that's not so overly repeated.
fault1 5y ago
Julia (and Fortran) have a concept called offset arrays where you can basically start on any sort of index: https://github.com/JuliaArrays/OffsetArrays.jl https://github.com/JuliaArrays/OffsetArrays.jl IMHO, one of the biggest advantages of Julia _is_ arrays.
- TheRealKing 5y ago
  Julia does not have offset arrays. There is an external Julia package that can mimic Fortran's intrinsic behavior (arbitrary start index).
  - fault1 5y ago
    julia's package manager is quite modern (and very well designed relative to the mess that is either C++ or python, no experience in modern fortran for me), so something being external or in the core language is not as important as it is with other languages. this is also the same model as in for example, Rust or Javascript. in fact, it appears to me that they intentionally made the core language with fewer amounts of intrinsics relative to other languages. Many of the packages in JuliaArrays/ might as well as be in the core language, especially things like StaticArrays: https://github.com/orgs/JuliaArrays/repositories https://github.com/orgs/JuliaArrays/repositories
- mrtweetyhack 5y ago
  then why not start at 0 by default?

dunefox 5y ago

This is such a non-issue and I'm tired of reading a version of this comment in any thread where Julia is mentioned.

freemint 5y ago

This is a total non issue as indexing is an operation that is subject to multiple dispatch. For a humorous example see https://github.com/giordano/StarWarsArrays.jl https://github.com/giordano/StarWarsArrays.jl

ChrisRackauckas 5y ago

The person who comes to a Julia discussion and says "so, how's 1-based indexing?" is the same person who walks up to people in the office and goes "so, how's the weather today?" every single day. It's the Smash Mouth Allstar of programming language conversations. The only things interesting about the conversation at this point are the ever more elaborate attempts at semi-comedically changing the topic towards something that's not so overly repeated.

fault1 5y ago

Julia (and Fortran) have a concept called offset arrays where you can basically start on any sort of index: https://github.com/JuliaArrays/OffsetArrays.jl https://github.com/JuliaArrays/OffsetArrays.jl IMHO, one of the biggest advantages of Julia _is_ arrays.

TheRealKing 5y ago
Julia does not have offset arrays. There is an external Julia package that can mimic Fortran's intrinsic behavior (arbitrary start index).
- fault1 5y ago
  julia's package manager is quite modern (and very well designed relative to the mess that is either C++ or python, no experience in modern fortran for me), so something being external or in the core language is not as important as it is with other languages. this is also the same model as in for example, Rust or Javascript. in fact, it appears to me that they intentionally made the core language with fewer amounts of intrinsics relative to other languages. Many of the packages in JuliaArrays/ might as well as be in the core language, especially things like StaticArrays: https://github.com/orgs/JuliaArrays/repositories https://github.com/orgs/JuliaArrays/repositories
mrtweetyhack 5y ago
then why not start at 0 by default?