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Many teachers, professors and daycare workers have been trained to believe that this is an absolute, fundamental ground truth about their students and the air t

Many teachers, professors and daycare workers have been trained to believe that this is an absolute, fundamental ground truth about their students and the air that they breathe; this is an increasingly prevalent worldview in the sphere of education, and we're likely to see further developments as it strengthens its hold.

ModernMech 5y ago
I’m curious to know the basis of your assertions, to try to get a better idea of this situation from your point of view. First, the idea that many have been trained to believe this. What is this training specifically they are receiving? How many teachers/professors/daycare workers are receiving this training and where? By whom? Is the basis of this belief something you read or personal knowledge of teachers and professors in your life? Secondly the idea that this worldview is increasingly prevalent: do you have any data on this, that teachers and daycare workers increasingly believe their students are bigots? When did this belief start increasing? How fast is it increasing? If we know it’s increasing we must have a measure on how much and how quickly. Is it a lot rapidly, or not so much over a long time? I’m seeing a lot of strong conclusive statements in this thread without a lot of accompanying evidence. I’m sure your statements are rooted in well-researched evidence or at least personal experience with the educational community, so I’m just curious to see exactly what so I can incorporate them into my own point of view.
- mensetmanusman 5y ago
  Interestingly this is the top article on The Atlantic at the moment: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/universities-forced-consensus-kyle-rittenhouse/620809/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/universiti... It’s an interesting trend where suddenly the universities are not only trying to find the truth, but apparently they have a monopoly on it.
  - ModernMech 5y ago
    Is that really a new trend though? Academia has always fancied itself to be an arbiter of truth. Religion as well, which is why a tension exists between the two, and people like to cast Academia as a religious order (they are not wrong to do so).
    - mensetmanusman 5y ago
      Maybe before there was more of a pretense?
  - 3np 5y ago
    If that’s what we’re talking about, was weird to see Merriam-Webster swiftly adding a definition for “anti-vaxxer” that includes those opposed to vaccine mandates. So apparently a person who is willingly fully vaccinated, believe vaccines work, and believes that everyone should get vaccinated may still be an “antivaxxer”. That’s some Ministry of Truth level stuff.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
    I checked my IL university out of sheer curiosity, but in that case there was no official statements of any kind. Local student paper covered it with mild bias towards racial inequities, but still within the parameters of a neutral tone. Is it possible that Atlantic is citing CA university as an example that just happens to be an outlier? I don't think it is impossible either way. Rittenhouse trial showed some interesting divisions in US.
    - cik2e 5y ago
      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/must-see-list-colleges-universities-offering-therapy-students-affected-racist-rittenhouse-verdict/ https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/must-see-list-colle... This is a sampling of some of the statements issued by colleges and universities in response to the Rittenhouse verdict. Lot of prominent names on the list including Columbia, NYU and Stanford.
      - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
        Oh wow. Thank you. Maybe I would accept an outlier community college here and there, but it is hard not to come to the originally posited conclusion. I will admit that it fills me with an odd feeling of bemusement. Those schools are no mere diploma-mills. There is a medical school and a law school. If those poor souls that are hit so hard by this verdict, how on earth are they going to cope with the real world ( and the very real burdens of those professions ), which is noticeably less nice than US of A?

ModernMech 5y ago

I’m curious to know the basis of your assertions, to try to get a better idea of this situation from your point of view. First, the idea that many have been trained to believe this. What is this training specifically they are receiving? How many teachers/professors/daycare workers are receiving this training and where? By whom? Is the basis of this belief something you read or personal knowledge of teachers and professors in your life? Secondly the idea that this worldview is increasingly prevalent: do you have any data on this, that teachers and daycare workers increasingly believe their students are bigots? When did this belief start increasing? How fast is it increasing? If we know it’s increasing we must have a measure on how much and how quickly. Is it a lot rapidly, or not so much over a long time? I’m seeing a lot of strong conclusive statements in this thread without a lot of accompanying evidence. I’m sure your statements are rooted in well-researched evidence or at least personal experience with the educational community, so I’m just curious to see exactly what so I can incorporate them into my own point of view.

mensetmanusman 5y ago
Interestingly this is the top article on The Atlantic at the moment: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/universities-forced-consensus-kyle-rittenhouse/620809/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/universiti... It’s an interesting trend where suddenly the universities are not only trying to find the truth, but apparently they have a monopoly on it.
- ModernMech 5y ago
  Is that really a new trend though? Academia has always fancied itself to be an arbiter of truth. Religion as well, which is why a tension exists between the two, and people like to cast Academia as a religious order (they are not wrong to do so).
  - mensetmanusman 5y ago
    Maybe before there was more of a pretense?
- 3np 5y ago
  If that’s what we’re talking about, was weird to see Merriam-Webster swiftly adding a definition for “anti-vaxxer” that includes those opposed to vaccine mandates. So apparently a person who is willingly fully vaccinated, believe vaccines work, and believes that everyone should get vaccinated may still be an “antivaxxer”. That’s some Ministry of Truth level stuff.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
  I checked my IL university out of sheer curiosity, but in that case there was no official statements of any kind. Local student paper covered it with mild bias towards racial inequities, but still within the parameters of a neutral tone. Is it possible that Atlantic is citing CA university as an example that just happens to be an outlier? I don't think it is impossible either way. Rittenhouse trial showed some interesting divisions in US.
  - cik2e 5y ago
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/must-see-list-colleges-universities-offering-therapy-students-affected-racist-rittenhouse-verdict/ https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/must-see-list-colle... This is a sampling of some of the statements issued by colleges and universities in response to the Rittenhouse verdict. Lot of prominent names on the list including Columbia, NYU and Stanford.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
      Oh wow. Thank you. Maybe I would accept an outlier community college here and there, but it is hard not to come to the originally posited conclusion. I will admit that it fills me with an odd feeling of bemusement. Those schools are no mere diploma-mills. There is a medical school and a law school. If those poor souls that are hit so hard by this verdict, how on earth are they going to cope with the real world ( and the very real burdens of those professions ), which is noticeably less nice than US of A?