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Unfortunately the governments implementing these measures seem absolutely determined to treat Orwell's 1984 as a training or howto manual. As we descend further

by dlsa 5y ago

Unfortunately the governments implementing these measures seem absolutely determined to treat Orwell's 1984 as a training or howto manual. As we descend further into authoritarianism, tracking and other privacy busting measures will become even more normalised and entrenched. You'll soon need to show identity and other papers to get into a shop to buy a hammer.

LordDragonfang 5y ago
On a note entirely unrelated to the above comment, I find it somewhere between humorous and worrying that people who seem to have never actually read 1984 seem insistent on invoking it for things that are entirely unrelated to the book and have occurred for decades in most countries (showing documents for travel, having to get vaccinated for certain jobs) and ignore all the other things happening that were actually in the book. Like, for example, historical revisionism by party-controlled media. These vaccination cards are totally unprecedented[1] and authoritarian. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. [1] https://www.kxan.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2021/04/yellow-fever-passport.jpg https://www.kxan.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2021/04/yel...
- dlsa 5y ago
  Plenty of parallels but you won't get exact matches... yet a few things stand out. I'd point at the war-on-terror as a good example of a permanent or equivalent always-at-war situation. Its not a stretch to suggest that a lot of the privacy and surveillance is based around anti-terrorism initiatives and plenty of security theater is now in place because of that. The war-on-drugs was another version of that. The war-on-... rhetoric in general is almost cliché now. This is not to say its not serious but consider the 1970s had quite a lot of terrorism going on. eg The UK had regular bombings from the IRA. Political correctness tends to adjust definitions in ways very reminiscent of Double-speak. It seems to be a rich source of new words and terms. Like a conveyor belt. The surveillance aspect is obvious.
sofixa 5y ago
How did you get there? Vaccination requirements have been a thing for decades in many countries. Showing proof of vaccination to go to the mall or cinema isn't tracking anyone ( with the EU implementation at least, can't talk about all of them) about anything - it's just an app reading a QR code and deciding if it's valid locally, no internet required. Heck, in France the government explicitly stated nobody has the right to ask for an ID to verify you're the actual owner of the vaccine certificate ( bar age-restricted places like bars that have had that right anyways). Why do people always have to jump to the slippery slope fallacy when anything happens? It's good to be cautious, but you're taking it to paranoia level.
- dlsa 5y ago
  Ironically I got told that you can be required to show immunisation certification to enter a hardware store. My thought-to-be-silly-to-make-a-point example about the hammer is reality right now.

by dlsa 5y ago

LordDragonfang 5y ago

On a note entirely unrelated to the above comment, I find it somewhere between humorous and worrying that people who seem to have never actually read 1984 seem insistent on invoking it for things that are entirely unrelated to the book and have occurred for decades in most countries (showing documents for travel, having to get vaccinated for certain jobs) and ignore all the other things happening that were actually in the book. Like, for example, historical revisionism by party-controlled media. These vaccination cards are totally unprecedented[1] and authoritarian. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. [1] https://www.kxan.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2021/04/yellow-fever-passport.jpg https://www.kxan.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2021/04/yel...

dlsa 5y ago
Plenty of parallels but you won't get exact matches... yet a few things stand out. I'd point at the war-on-terror as a good example of a permanent or equivalent always-at-war situation. Its not a stretch to suggest that a lot of the privacy and surveillance is based around anti-terrorism initiatives and plenty of security theater is now in place because of that. The war-on-drugs was another version of that. The war-on-... rhetoric in general is almost cliché now. This is not to say its not serious but consider the 1970s had quite a lot of terrorism going on. eg The UK had regular bombings from the IRA. Political correctness tends to adjust definitions in ways very reminiscent of Double-speak. It seems to be a rich source of new words and terms. Like a conveyor belt. The surveillance aspect is obvious.

sofixa 5y ago

How did you get there? Vaccination requirements have been a thing for decades in many countries. Showing proof of vaccination to go to the mall or cinema isn't tracking anyone ( with the EU implementation at least, can't talk about all of them) about anything - it's just an app reading a QR code and deciding if it's valid locally, no internet required. Heck, in France the government explicitly stated nobody has the right to ask for an ID to verify you're the actual owner of the vaccine certificate ( bar age-restricted places like bars that have had that right anyways). Why do people always have to jump to the slippery slope fallacy when anything happens? It's good to be cautious, but you're taking it to paranoia level.

dlsa 5y ago
Ironically I got told that you can be required to show immunisation certification to enter a hardware store. My thought-to-be-silly-to-make-a-point example about the hammer is reality right now.